ozbama ready to shoot himself in the OTHER foot

[Ayatollahgondola]

When he makes this announcement, tonight, the Tea Parties will fade into the background as mere coffee klaches.

And that is likely the reason for it. the whole TEA party movement is getting too powerful, and the masters of the US want t o bust it up a little. Just because the TEA partiers have some similar agendas doesn't mean they are all on the same page on illegals. The TEA Partiers here in Sac joined forces with the Latino water rights coalition to get an agenda passed on pumping water south..
I should also point out that not all TEA party'ers are on the same page either.

[Kathy63]

I was actually referring to size and ferocity. When he proposes his amnesty, there is going to be a backlash like Godzilla swinging his tail. Since last summer more people have lost their jobs, taxes have gone up, The public is already being forced to accept hatian criminal aliens and refugees. The public is in no mood to have amnesty imposed along with everything else.

Getting the water turned on is SO important, if I could do it, I would have gone to a protest for that myself.

I found our recently that there is a bill to overturn that Judge's decision by federal legislative action. It's bottled up in committee by none other than Nancy Pelosi.

[Kathy63]

Yep he's loading and locking. Aimed right at his big toe.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...ration-reform/

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

I was actually referring to size and ferocity. When he proposes his amnesty, there is going to be a backlash like Godzilla swinging his tail. Since last summer more people have lost their jobs, taxes have gone up, The public is already being forced to accept hatian criminal aliens and refugees. The public is in no mood to have amnesty imposed along with everything else.

Getting the water turned on is SO important, if I could do it, I would have gone to a protest for that myself.

I found our recently that there is a bill to overturn that Judge's decision by federal legislative action. It's bottled up in committee by none other than Nancy Pelosi.

I don't necessarily agree with you on the water issue. For one, the growers aren't growing food just for us, actually much is being shipped out of the country. We're eating produce grown south of us. The growers are contributing to the political purses of those who will give them more of those migrant work visas. And if we didn't have this huge invasion which will double in basically no time at all, we wouldn't be using up as much of that natural resource as we are using. When those in power begin to realize that we can not sustain the population these breeders will bring this state to, then maybe they will wake up to what they're encouraging.

We need to actually face the fact that humans can not do without water, and the population can only sustain itself when there is a sufficient supply. We all ready artificially move it from place to place, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. But there come a time when there's no place to borrow from and you've overpopulated. The politicians did this with our finances, like a shell game they borrowed from one to pay another, hiding the fact of where the money came from. Until there were no more shells left to take from. That's what will happen with water, and is happening to some questionable degree today.

If you remember a few years back, they tried to put together that big Newhall land development between Valencia and Ventura county. Ventura County stopped it at the county line because the developers couldn't come up with the water supply needed for that many homes and businesses. LA County didn't seem to care. So the project was cut in half and last I heard is L A (Valencia) plans on continuing the project.

You see some, actually most, politicians and big business are like junkies who will destroy their one bodies until there's no other place to turn. I'm of the opinion that they need to be cut off cold turkey and go through withdrawals until they face the situation we are in and do what is needed before we have no choice in the matter at all.

[Kathy63]

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

[Don]

I heard an internet radio show by farmers who are into this stuff and from what I could gather, under these goof ball free trade arrangements we export substantial amounts of food and import other food. The net effect is that we're losing control over our domestic food supply and will be vulnerable to imports...like Great Britain in two world wars was vulnerable to blockade and starvation.

The whole structure of our country is being manipulated so as to make us as vulnerable and weak as possible. The illegal alien invasion is just one aspect of it.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

Kathy I wasn't implying there was a reduction in the invaders, and I'm not happy that a large amount of our produce is coming from south of the border. Who knows was sewer water or contaminated fields they're using. What I stating is we have limited resources and killing off something to support another that shouldn't be here in the first place will come back to bit us is the rear in the years to come. The growers are scamming the public big time and that needs to be exposed. The land may eventually be turned into housing, which needs more water. That's what they tried to do with the Newhall land development. That is all agricultural land that runs along Highway 126 from just about where Piru ends all the way to interstate 5. That would house a lot of people, but requires tremendous amounts of water. That is why Ventura County said no, because we are a big agricultural county and that water has to go toward growing food. If this invasion continues, they will have to build more housing, and the farmers will lose. But this battle will continue until the farmers and government come to the realize we can't have both. If we keep giving the farmers water when it is damaging other natural resources, which fish are (even small fish feed big fish) the problem gets swept under the rug until there's no turning back. Someones got to take a hit before they will deal with anything. Let it be the farmers, and let's hope they all wake up before this state is nothing but housing and concrete.

[Kathy63]

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

The water doesn't end up in the poor downtrodden family farms. The promoters just make it look that way just like the illegals supporters use "splitting up families" and "hard working tax paying good hearted people".
Once they get their way, and the water, they'll just continue driving out family farms the way they did before this opportunity came along.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Snowpack survey offers hope for state's water supply
By JANET ZIMMERMAN
The Press-Enterprise
Any doubt about the benefits of this month's lengthy and powerful storms was dispelled Friday when measurements in the Sierra Nevada showed the snowpack is well above normal for this time of year.
But state water officials cautioned that even a good start to the season doesn't ward off the possibility of a fourth year of drought, and that conservation is now a way of life in California.
It's also unlikely, they said, that State Water Project allocations to agencies that serve millions of Southern California residents will increase beyond 40 percent -- even if it's an average rainy season -- because of environmental restrictions and other problems in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.
The snow survey "offers us some cautious optimism as we continue to play catch-up with our statewide water supplies," said Sue Sims, chief deputy director at the Department of Water Resources. "Even if California is blessed with a healthy snowpack, we must learn to always conserve this finite resource so that we have enough water for homes, farms and businesses in 2010 and in the future."
The water content of the snowpack, which determines spring runoff out of the mountains, is 115 percent of normal. At this time last year, it was 61 percent of normal.
This was the second of five monthly readings from manual measurements and electronic sensors near Lake Tahoe. The most important will be the early April reading that takes into account the entire rainy season.
The news was better than the reading a month ago, which showed water content at 85 percent of normal for this time of year.
"It's a fairly significant improvement," said Frank Gehrke, a snow surveyor for the state.
The information will be used to make allocations for the State Water Project, the aqueducts that move water to Southern California from the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.
Early-season allocations for this year are just 5 percent of what contractors requested, a historic low. But state officials said that could increase if this winter proves to be a wet one.
Besides snowpack and depleted reservoir storage, there are other factors, said Wendy Martin, the state's drought coordinator.
Federal officials have restricted pumping in the delta to protect the endangered delta smelt and -- for the first time this year -- salmon. Those regulations, combined with water-quality restrictions, severely limit how much water can be pumped at any given time, Martin said.
Last year, California had an almost average water year and could still deliver only 40 percent of requested amounts through the State Water Project.
"This year, with additional regulatory restraints, under average conditions, we'd be challenged to get to even 40 percent," she said.
But Dave Miskus, a meteorologist at the National Centers for Environmental Protection in Maryland, was encouraged by the impressive start to winter.
In the 10 years that Miskus has been mapping conditions on the U.S. Drought Monitor, he has never made as many changes as he did following January's week of storms.
By Thursday morning, the browns and tans that signify severe to moderate drought had been replaced with yellows and whites that mean conditions are merely abnormally dry or there is no drought.
"There were one to two category improvements across much of the Southwest," Miskus said. "The whole area got way above normal precipitation and it helped the drought situation across the entire area."
According to the Drought Monitor, 2.2 percent of the state is in severe drought, compared to 48.9 percent at this time last year. Miskus declared that California's short-term drought is over because soils are saturated.
But the long-term drought continues because reservoirs that supply residential and agricultural uses are far from where they should be, he said.
Lake Shasta rose more than 20 feet after the storm and is now at 82 percent of average for this time of year. Lake Oroville, the main reservoir for the State Water Project, is at half of its average storage for late January.
"You need to have average precipitation the rest of the season to make sure there's enough water in the reservoirs and snowpack. If it stops now, you'd be in trouble," he said
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/s...0.464053a.html