Joe Turner Shows True motives

[Rim05]

Again, this is a personal opinion. I don't pull punches when I believe I, or we, have been used and sold out for the benefit of some single person. A lot of us have risked life and liberty in the this immigration effort, and when I see people profiting, or trying to from it, I get really angry. It is precisely the same behavior we find in so very many of the politicians we so revile in the state house and the federal government. They say what we want to hear, but their later actions show their true motives.

I disagree with what you are saying about Joe. First, I will tell you that I do not know what I am to Joe but I am a friend to him, always have been. Always will be. If not for Joe starting the first SOS, NONE of us would be here today.
I found Joe to be very well informed and he knew the members who were present. One day I said "I don't know if you remember me " and started to tell him my name. He said I know who you are.
He always had time to talk to every one as far as I could tell. He never cut any one short.

[wetibbe]

I must be missing something.

Naturally as an outsider, from the East Coast, I am not very well informed. And probably shouldn't be getting involved here.

Lot's of the pro-American, anti illegal alien, people, groups, organizations have now folded and gone away. Lots. There are only a few left.

What I seem to be uninformed about is the context of the opening statement here above. There seem to be four SOS organizations according to Google. One with the suffix .info; one .Org.; one Org au, and one .com. One of those adds a suffix "S" making States plural and it seems to be associated with Maryland. Org au is Australian.

The .Org site is something of a mystery. It has nothing to do with immigration. It is actually some sort of a promotional "gimmick" for "app's".

http://www.saveourstate.org/

So I don't get the connection to, or with, Joe Turner. Not that it matters.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

I must be missing something.

Naturally as an outsider, from the East Coast, I am not very well informed. And probably shouldn't be getting involved here.

Lot's of the pro-American, anti illegal alien, people, groups, organizations have now folded and gone away. Lots. There are only a few left.

What I seem to be uninformed about is the context of the opening statement here above. There seem to be four SOS organizations according to Google. One with the suffix .info; one .Org.; one Org au, and one .com. One of those adds a suffix "S" making States plural and it seems to be associated with Maryland. Org au is Australian.

The .Org site is something of a mystery. It has nothing to do with immigration. It is actually some sort of a promotional "gimmick" for "app's".

http://www.saveourstate.org/

So I don't get the connection to, or with, Joe Turner. Not that it matters.

The Save Our State.org site was, and still is, registered to Save Our State. When Joe tried to just back away from the corp, he kept the .org url for himself. When we complained to the state that he had not filed the proper paperwork, the state contacted him, and after several notices, he finally did, claiming their were no assets left. The URL is an asset.
When we took over the Save Our state corp, Joe made a demand for the URL that we refused to comply with. When we refused, he demanded money from us for himself instead. We refused again. We already had the .info while the old site was still up, and we had demanded that he stop publishing under the Save Our State name, as it was an infringement upon the use. He took down the old site, and then it just went dormant. Now he's trying to use it as his own to make money with. Totally against the code where non-profits are concerned

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Saveourstate was originally part of another group that got (not sure of the number but I think it was 198) Proposition 198 on the ballot that passed here in California. The proposition was to prevent illegals from receiving any entitlements. Barbara Coe was part of that organization. Others may know more about the particulars.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Rim05

Again, this is a personal opinion. I don't pull punches when I believe I, or we, have been used and sold out for the benefit of some single person. A lot of us have risked life and liberty in the this immigration effort, and when I see people profiting, or trying to from it, I get really angry. It is precisely the same behavior we find in so very many of the politicians we so revile in the state house and the federal government. They say what we want to hear, but their later actions show their true motives.

I disagree with what you are saying about Joe. First, I will tell you that I do not know what I am to Joe but I am a friend to him, always have been. Always will be. If not for Joe starting the first SOS, NONE of us would be here today.
I found Joe to be very well informed and he knew the members who were present. One day I said "I don't know if you remember me " and started to tell him my name. He said I know who you are.
He always had time to talk to every one as far as I could tell. He never cut any one short.

Joe did not start the first SOS. He started the street activism.

[wetibbe]

I'm looking into everything and I will be back with more in due course.

In the meantime keep the chin up and continue vigorously.

[wetibbe]

Well, Folks, it seems that there has been a change. The above link, Saveourstate.org no longer takes a person to the "world apps" site like before. It now opens a blog page.

There is also a write up on Wikipedia. It seems rather old and dated.

Not much else on Google. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...urner+from+sos

It's predominantly yesterdays newspaper dating back around 2005.

[Rim05]

And Joe sat back and did nothing while the cockroach spoke ill of many of us, right? I know I asked for him to intervene several times. He did not, and wouldn't respond.

I know that you and your wife have had health problems lately but, I need to respond to you.
I have made you aware of the of the things that have been happening to me by ONE member here. You have done nothing as far as I can see.
You say a lot of things about Chalene but she was always there if I ask her for something. I never ask Joe for any thing.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Rim05

And Joe sat back and did nothing while the cockroach spoke ill of many of us, right? I know I asked for him to intervene several times. He did not, and wouldn't respond.

I know that you and your wife have had health problems lately but, I need to respond to you.
I have made you aware of the of the things that have been happening to me by ONE member here. You have done nothing as far as I can see.
You say a lot of things about Chalene but she was always there if I ask her for something. I never ask Joe for any thing.

Little bit different here Rim. No one has silenced you here. You have always been free to defend yourself. I'm not sure what you'd have me do. You and Jean have a difference of opinion, and it would be equally as wrong for me to try and silence her, as it would to silence you.
In the case of Chelene, she banned me and then spread all kinds of vile falsehoods about me and what had happened.
You know what? I think we all need a refresher on the past. I've been sitting on the old forum database for too long. It's time to bring our history back so everyone can see it again.

And thanks for your concern. My wife is doing terrific now. the tables are turned now, and she's taking care of me. But there's no reason to pull punches if you have something to say. I have good days; I have bad days. No need to worry about offending me. I still dish out some sheet on my good days. I'm not dead yet

[Rim05]

Little bit different here Rim. No one has silenced you here. You have always been free to defend yourself. I'm not sure what you'd have me do. You and Jean have a difference of opinion, and it would be equally as wrong for me to try and silence her, as it would to silence you.
In the case of Chelene, she banned me and then spread all kinds of vile falsehoods about me and what had happened.
You know what? I think we all need a refresher on the past. I've been sitting on the old forum database for too long. It's time to bring our history back so everyone can see it again.

And thanks for your concern. My wife is doing terrific now. the tables are turned now, and she's taking care of me. But there's no reason to pull punches if you have something to say. I have good days; I have bad days. No need to worry about offending me. I still dish out some sheet on my good days. I'm not dead yet