The lunatic asylum ?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

So, here we are...

A discussion about the so called "affordable care act" turned into a flame war and further degenerated into a race issue...





I propose that we get back to what the thread is about, Obamacare.

I spoke with a woman yesterday who's within the insurance industry.

Her take, and she was careful to state that she wasn't representing her employer with her conversation, was that the health insurance landscape has been irreparably devastated and there will be no going back to what was. As I understand her statement, it doesn't much matter whether the law is repealed, patched, or what. Reminds me of the California deregulation of the electrical industry, which is still haunting us in Ca. Nearly broke our state, and the smug bastards in Sacramento didn't realize the consequences of their actions until the utilities spun the screwing back to them, AND THEN THE IGNORANT POLITICAL ASSHOLES PANICKED IN A VIRTUALLY FUTILE EFFORT TO SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEIR THREADBARE AGENDAS.

The middle and small insurers have been or will be forced out of business, and many of those policy holders forced out of their plans ultimately won't be picked up by other insurers, or the insurers who are left in business will go broke covering those left who don't go into medicare, and the lady said "you know who pays for that - it's you and me"...

And there's always the specter of yet another bailout covering what the new law screwed up... And just who pays for that?

Which reinforces my early gut feeling that the whole thing is designed to crash and force everyone into taxpayer funded, substandard, European Union / Canadian style government single payer healthcare.

Well, I'm still smiling. It's Christmas Day, hope everyone enjoys the fact we can feel somewhat safe, thanks to our men and women who serve us everywhere.

You're absolutely correct, the goal all along was a one payer system, aka socialized medicine. I heard that right out of the mouth of my leftist friend over a year ago. That's exactly what she wanted. Mind you this is a person who could easily pay for her own medical, even without insurance; one of those limousine liberals that lives along the California coast and hasn't a clue about the problems of the middle class, or the poor for that matter.

It seems our social infrastructure is what the left are all about changing. But our actual hard tangible infrastructure is too susceptible to climate change and needs to be put into the recycle bin.

We now have so many that qualify for free medical and too many doctors that won't accept it, so many that in the next few years we are going to see a crisis. Another item that no one has mentioned is that with the "new" free medical comes the ability by the Government to grab onto a citizens estate; those receiving free medical and once the person dies (under the age of 65 or receiving any gov. free subsidy along with medicade) the cost paid by the government will be taken out of the persons estate; this includes land, cars and anything of value. The only way out of such a situation is to either sell everything or give it to someone in advance of getting ill.

What would happen in the past is there was a financial test given beforeany free gov paid medical was given. The person could then either use there assets to pay for their medical or give it to someone. The difference is that the person knew their assets were in jeopardy But now. no one is being told that Obamacare could take your estate.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Another item that no one has mentioned is that with the "new" free medical comes the ability by the Government to grab onto a citizens estate; those receiving free medical and once the person dies (under the age of 65 or receiving any gov. free subsidy along with medicade) the cost paid by the government will be taken out of the persons estate; this includes land, cars and anything of value. The only way out of such a situation is to either sell everything or give it to someone in advance of getting ill.

But now. no one is being told that Obamacare could take your estate.

And eventually the government will own everything is what I'm thinking.

[wetibbe]

This website is unique in that everyone seems to get along with an absence of the usual haranguing, confrontations, acrimony and fisticuffs. So I'll attenuate bashing Obama as apparently desired. Personally I don't like it either.

As to introducing racism, I will say that I think there is actually an element of racism in Obama care. Normally I am skeptical of conspiracy theories but in this instance there is a super abundance of theories about Black Liberation Theology. But since my colleagues don't want to pursue it I will drop it here in deference.
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Side board:

Over the Christmas holidays I was with my grandsons and granddaughters. Since I am an advanced senior citizen they are up in their 20's and 30's, with families/children. Deplorably ALL of them have been adversely affected by Obama care - very adversely and costly. Not a single one nor any other family or friends have been favorably benefitted. All are suffering horrendous cost increases

* One Grandson works for a subsidiary of Boeing in space and communications technology including military. His health insurance was cancelled and supplemented. It resulted in significantly incased premiums, and modified co - pay and deductibles which he says it nothing like before and much more costly.

* One granddaughter works for a major law firm in West Palm Beach, Florida. Her boss told her he was waiting to see. But they may cancel health coverage and give employees a compensatory sum to shop around independently for insurance. In other words cut them loose and leave them on their own.

Two grandsons are #1 in college so his Dad takes care of it. And #2 is in serious financial straits at 25 years of age and struggling. He cannot afford insurance.

MY son work as a mortgage broker in one of the oldest banks in America. They went independent and self insured.

I'm a senior on Medicare and HMO. Living on social security My premiums have gone up from 2012 to 2014 83%. My co-pay and deductibles have risen 35% TO 50%.

No-one has escaped the Obamacare debacle.

If you watch the news you will see that they are virtually, including the liberals, down on Obamacare and blasting it as a catastrophe.

[Rim05]

Yes, I would like to get back on topic, however, no matter the subject it seems to always steer to Obama bashing. NO MATTER THE SUBJECT. I have been subject to insults (as politicians say) by my good friend who is on IGNORE. Some one needs to stop the abuse of posters by what I called Bullies.
No one has the 'right' to insult other posters.
She is still, ON PERMANT IGNORE.

[wetibbe]

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