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Being right is not enough to win. Success is dependent on the number and effectiveness of activists regardless of who's right or wrong, and a single issue platform loses steam after a while. Lack of money to operate on doesn't help while an organizer becoming used to living on a cause turns the cause into that of supporting the organizer. There needs to be a source of operational funds while the organizer avoids becoming an embezzler. In the meantime, the word "patriot" has been prostituted so much over the last decade by megalomaniacal power trippers and paranoid nut balls it's almost a pejorative, I've gotten to where I despise the word because of the way it's been misused. Davi works tirelessly, doesn't give up against great odds and is very inclusive. Those on the other side sometimes hate one another but keep their discord between themselves and publicly work together towards a goal rather than endlessly stabbing each other in the back like so many of those right of center do. Minor disagreements become deal breakers and bridge burners center of right, and it needs to end or there will be no progress. Correctly identify your enemies and don't give them ammunition to use against you - such as obvious propaganda, broadcasting bad information, hijacking the message with far, far right fringe lunacy, or statements which reflect a genuine obsession with race. If the illegals are an enemy, so are the American politicians, American employers, American open borders lobbyists, American churches seeking a congregation as well as meddling in Ceaser's affairs and anyone or anything else who uses them to screw you out of a job, your tax "contributions", a quality education, or anything else you want to blame on illegals. "They" use the lower class (buying votes and warm bodies with tax base subsidies); propagandized middle class college graduates; the moneyed, Swiss bank account liberals who hypocritically dodge taxes through loopholes favoring themselves while pushing for more taxes on the middle class to fund "progressive" socialism. All we have is a shrinking middle class to work with, many of them aren't sure which way to turn, others are just comfortable enough to wait to see whichever way the wind turns - hoping it doesn't turn on themselves. We have to reach those people. Davi is working extremely hard on the local level concerning illegal imigration and the ills which come with it, and there also needs to be a focus on the national level in order to help Davi prosecute the cause. The 2014 elections needs to bring a majority to congress which can over ride presidential vetoes and put an end to the current abuse of the executive order privilege and 2016 a president who will put the California legislature, Jerry Brown, and Kamala Harris in their places concerning illegal migration and other other far left crap which finds itself being voted into state law in the dead of night with no legislative debate or public transparency. Again, and respectfully, what are you going to do to personally bring this about? Merely complaining about illegal immigration; petty name calling like "jalapeno suckers" or "cockroaches"; and focusing on race as though race is an indication of illegality isn't going to do it.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 10-06-2013 at 01:04 PM. |
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I won't and cannot assume that people are doing nothing. Because we have a stalemate in congress, it has to be due to resistance, and that's not just from the moneyed players and power brokers. So people are driving the train, but California has been on its' own separate track for some years now. It's not new; Southern states like Mississippi and Alabama tried to go their own way in the 60's, and the courts, marchers, and...well, stubbornness forced them to get with the program. California has been flexing independent muscle in entering treaties, which aren't as yet sanctioned by the feds, so it's very possible we have a day of reckoning coming. I sure hope so, but we need legal championing. That, of course, takes bigger bucks than we even hope to have. And I don't mean just SOS. We're going to keep probing, testing, and voicing until we find things that work, and for now we'll just have to keep doing it for nothing Welcome Back JBParrothead. |
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You said quite a mouthful in that post, and I greatly respect your knowledge in this area. The part I quoted here is the part I have questions for you about. First of all, while what you say is correct, how would you bring this about when not only is the current political climate in California more liberal than ever, but it seems that for all of Obama's failings the Democratic party still has considerably more support than the Republicans nationwide, and the illegal immigration issue breaks down pretty much along party lines? Not 100%, but there are a lot more Republicans in Congress who feel as we do than there are Democrats. I think it was really unfortunate that Romney lost in 2012 because he was the only candidate who supported self-deportation for illegals who are already here, and look where that got him. Therefore we at least need to get a majority in congress in 2014, which means not only a Republican controlled House but Senate as well if we want to start getting things turned around. I doubt however that there will be 67 Republican senators elected in 2014, which is what it would take to override a Presidential veto So my question to you is how do you suggest we go about this? You said we all need to do something, but what exactly? Do we try to change a lot of Democratic hearts and minds or do we need to get more Republicans to turn out and vote? This is what frustrates me so much, because I don't have an answer. I'd like to hear yours.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." Last edited by LAPhil; 10-06-2013 at 03:46 PM. |
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California might be compromised, but in addition to working in California we need to support viable national candidates who will run against incumbents who defile, bankrupt, and morally destroy America. The facts are that the 2012 election was gamed by Democrat data mining and pressure on the the areas which might vote Democrat while the Republicans were left behind in the dust of organizational prowess. That's how Romney lost in what was originally a close election which, according to what I remember of the polls, favored Romney. To be blunt, I have no love for either the Democrat or Republican parties as they have been over the last 20 years as I feel that, if unrestrained, they will bring us to the very same impoverished, enslaved status. The roads to governmental domination are polar opposites, but they lead to the same place. The third parties are a collection of impotent, nut ball loons, no help there. Distasteful as it may be, we have to work within the system - just as all those "progressives" (who ripped off the "liberal" brand"), "Latino activists", and all the rest who have used and gamed the system to subvert the system over the last 50 some years. So, I made a deal with the devil so far as the enemy of my enemy is my friend and am working with a newly formed Tea Party group in the hope that once the goal is obtained the antagonistic opposites will level out. I made the choice of the lesser of evils. California might be currently lost as far as the Democrat vote is concerned, but by doing what we can here and working towards national results it may have a beneficial result towards California. Nationally the hard core left is probably no more than 20% of the population, but by keeping the pressure on and playing dirty pool for several decades and hanging on to what they have gained they win. We have to do the same, gather the numbers, and dish out what they don't expect. The national elections of 2014 and 2016 matter a lot. If we are successful California might have some just results concerning genuine fairness and genuine equality, but if not we will continue to be screwed. Phil, thanks for asking.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 10-06-2013 at 06:21 PM. |
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