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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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Phil,
You may not get upset about foreigners sitting in judgement over our citizens, laws, disputes, and further allow them to set precedence, but I am greatly concerned. And yes, the founding fathers would have been concerned with good reason, very similar to the reason Mexico has all the restrictions on foreigners that it does. Furthermore it's a cynical stepping stone to give the vote to people who are newly arrived, legal or not. Just who do new citizens tend to vote for? Those who paved their way - generally Democrats who come up with bills like this.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 04-26-2013 at 02:16 PM. |
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Just one more point and then I'll rest my case. I can actually sympathize with a lot of the points you made, but consider this: A non-citizen resident is subject to the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States and if arrested they are entitled to a jury trial like any other resident, citizen or otherwise. A jury is ideally supposed to be composed of the peers of the defendant (which the Founding Fathers did believe in), and who better to fill the role of peer of a non-citizen than another non-citizen?
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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Besides, some cultures believe in arranged marriages with the bride being a child while the husband may be a middle aged man. Should a jury in the United States be composed of foreigners who came from the same child bride culture as a foreigner accused of child molestation? But these are all side arguments which detract from the real issue - national sovereignty. To give foreigners the jury box is a big step towards giving foreigners who have no loyalty or sympathy for our country the ballot box.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. |
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I don't agree with that at all. Voting is a privilege which is given to us. Jury service isn't a privilege or something people are entitled to, it's something they provide for us at their own expense in many cases, not to mention the inconvenience.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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AND WHO WILL THEY VOTE FOR WHEN ALLOWED TO DO SO? They will vote for the party which caters to them, which party includes a whole delegation of those Americans who want to entirely change the character of America - and those political knuckleheads (who quite often live up on the hill and not among those they bring in) have no idea of what they are really bringing about. We get back to the basics of what is being wrought, regardless of the "joys" to you and I of jury service: It's ultimately about national sovereignty, allowing foreigners to sit in judgement over our citizens, our laws, our legal disputes, and further allow them to set legal precedence, And to give foreigners the jury box is a big step towards giving foreigners who have no loyalty or sympathy for our country the ballot box. It's about "One World", "world without borders", "citizen of the world", "Racist American imperialism" among much else that is being exploited by other agendas. There are lots of agendas in this pie, not just Aztlanistas, not just "white privilege" race baiters, not just far left Birkenstock wearing kumbaya usefull idiot crowd cum Stalinist style communists, but many more. I have no love for the Republican party, but the Democrat party has the largest collection of useful idiots among them all.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 04-26-2013 at 07:58 PM. |
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Well I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I don't see any connection between allowing foreigners to serve on a jury and getting the right to vote without becoming citizens first. And why do you assume that just because they're not citizens they have no loyalty to this country? Many of them may be in the process of becoming citizens, as the process takes time. Being a juror is simply a matter of deciding guilt or innocence in a criminal matter or liability in a civil matter, and being a non-citizen is not de facto an obstacle to that. As I said earlier, the attorneys can dismiss anyone for cause, and if they feel that a particular person is not qualified they will not hesitate to dismiss that person.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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