Has the USA always been this insane?

[Greg in LA]

Ayatollah, you're making a good point about the craziness in America during Vietnam and the riots after the ML King shooting.
Yes those definitely qualify as crazy times in America.
Those events in my opinion led to a lot of the problems that we are fighting today.

How about the huge ethnic shift that has gone on in America in the last several decades, I would group attitudes to massive immigration in America into four view points:

Group 1: These people ignore every bit of it, it means nothing to them. If there is a problem they just move to a different suburb or city. They're only involved with their own day to day activities.

Group 2: These people are aware of the transition, but just keep smiling like it's all fine. Privately they may acknowledge some uneasiness, but wouldn't dare say anything publicly. Overall they would rank immigration problems as a distant 5th place on their list of priorities.

Group 3: Are very scared about the transformation, and it's very easy for them to envision disastrous consequences because of the immigration transformation and lawlessness.

Group 4: Is the immigrant groups, Mostly Hispanic who lust for more and more immigration, as they benefit from it personally, many in this group probably have a real resentment against White Americans. I would also add to this group Americans on the far left (ultra socialists, Communist, Black and Hispanic separatists), who are actively anti American, and particularly anti White.

I would put Group 1: the totally clueless and unconcerned portion of the country, at 35% of the country.

I would put group 2, the group that is privately somewhat aware of the immigration problems, but wouldn't dare say anything publicly, at 30% of the country.

Group 3, The side that is scared and aware (that would be us), I would put at 20%.

Group 4: Totally unassimilated immigrants, and far left Americans (Socialists/Marxists), I would put at 15%.

Those are my own estimates. I have know idea if I'm right, but I would be very curious to see what ratio people here think we have.

[Greg in LA]

So according to my estimate:

15% of the country's population loves open borders.

80% of the country will not lift a finger or say a word against massive immigration, amnesty or open borders.

20% of the country stopped the amnesties in 2006-2012.

The hard core patriots fighting the invasion are only 5% more than the hard core amnesty lovers.

65% of the country is apathetic about the issue.

30% of the country is aware of the problem, but is either so polite or so frightened of being called "racist" they wouldn't dare say anything.


When I analyze these figures, If their proportions are correct I would really describe our country as mostly apathetic, and only slightly more patriotic than anti American.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

So according to my estimate:

15% of the country's population loves open borders.

80% of the country will not lift a finger or say a word against massive immigration, amnesty or open borders.

20% of the country stopped the amnesties in 2006-2012.

The hard core patriots fighting the invasion are only 5% more than the hard core amnesty lovers.

65% of the country is apathetic about the issue.

30% of the country is aware of the problem, but is either so polite or so frightened of being called "racist" they wouldn't dare say anything.


When I analyze these figures, If their proportions are correct I would really describe our country as mostly apathetic, and only slightly more patriotic than anti American.

I'm not sure where you are getting the facts figures or backgrounds to arrive at those percentages

[Greg in LA]

I'm not getting those numbers from anywhere, they're my own estimates. They're just a guess.
I put them out just to see what others think, and to see what kind of numbers and estimates others think are realistic.