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Point wwas that it was a crazy time too. Real crazy. People thought the US was coming apart then too. Remember? It was all a communist plot to taake over the minds of youth and turn them against Capitalism, truth, justice, and the American way Quote:
But a lot of those black kids made it through, as did I and other white kids. I can't place the blame on all black kids/people though. It was the blasted establishment that caused us all to turn on one another. Sure there were alot of bad black students, but I'll say without reservation that overall, Black families have suffered a growth problem because their culture was crippled by slavery, and it takes a few centuries to set things right. the trouble is, once again, our government establishment is getting in the way with their own nefarious schemes, and it is unlikely to help...much |
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Ayatollah, you're making a good point about the craziness in America during Vietnam and the riots after the ML King shooting.
Yes those definitely qualify as crazy times in America. Those events in my opinion led to a lot of the problems that we are fighting today. How about the huge ethnic shift that has gone on in America in the last several decades, I would group attitudes to massive immigration in America into four view points: Group 1: These people ignore every bit of it, it means nothing to them. If there is a problem they just move to a different suburb or city. They're only involved with their own day to day activities. Group 2: These people are aware of the transition, but just keep smiling like it's all fine. Privately they may acknowledge some uneasiness, but wouldn't dare say anything publicly. Overall they would rank immigration problems as a distant 5th place on their list of priorities. Group 3: Are very scared about the transformation, and it's very easy for them to envision disastrous consequences because of the immigration transformation and lawlessness. Group 4: Is the immigrant groups, Mostly Hispanic who lust for more and more immigration, as they benefit from it personally, many in this group probably have a real resentment against White Americans. I would also add to this group Americans on the far left (ultra socialists, Communist, Black and Hispanic separatists), who are actively anti American, and particularly anti White. I would put Group 1: the totally clueless and unconcerned portion of the country, at 35% of the country. I would put group 2, the group that is privately somewhat aware of the immigration problems, but wouldn't dare say anything publicly, at 30% of the country. Group 3, The side that is scared and aware (that would be us), I would put at 20%. Group 4: Totally unassimilated immigrants, and far left Americans (Socialists/Marxists), I would put at 15%. Those are my own estimates. I have know idea if I'm right, but I would be very curious to see what ratio people here think we have. Last edited by Greg in LA; 01-23-2013 at 06:27 PM. |
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So according to my estimate:
15% of the country's population loves open borders. 80% of the country will not lift a finger or say a word against massive immigration, amnesty or open borders. 20% of the country stopped the amnesties in 2006-2012. The hard core patriots fighting the invasion are only 5% more than the hard core amnesty lovers. 65% of the country is apathetic about the issue. 30% of the country is aware of the problem, but is either so polite or so frightened of being called "racist" they wouldn't dare say anything. When I analyze these figures, If their proportions are correct I would really describe our country as mostly apathetic, and only slightly more patriotic than anti American. Last edited by Greg in LA; 01-23-2013 at 07:07 PM. |
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I'm not getting those numbers from anywhere, they're my own estimates. They're just a guess.
I put them out just to see what others think, and to see what kind of numbers and estimates others think are realistic. |
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(1) Whites have been relegated to 2nd class status; and, (2) Blacks are not responsible for their actions. Interesting theory of yours, that it takes a "few centuries to set things right" after slavery, that was ended 150 years ago. If it takes centuries for blacks to perform to the same ethical and intellectual standards as whites, as you argue, shouldn't under performing blacks be banned from life threatening occupations like practicing medicine, flying commercial airplanes, doing brain surgery, owning guns or making decisions about the use of nuclear weapons...at least for a "few centuries" and they finally recover from "slavery" and achieve the same level of accountability as whites? And shouldn't vulnerable white children be separated from blacks who, for whatever reason, can't control their impulse for racially motivated anti-white violence? Were not southern whites morally correct to use racially segregated schools to protect vulnerable white children from racially motivated violence by blacks, who are given a pass for violence because it is "not fair" to hold them to the same high standards as white children whom they brutalize? How nice when people like you come around and agree that the southern white assessment of negro character and impulse control was correct all along. Whether you realize it or not, you've made a case for an anti-white racial caste system as well as for black inferiority. I'm called a racist because I think blacks should be held to the same standards as whites, but you're regarded as "enlightened", "accepting" and "tolerant" based on your belief that blacks are not capable of meeting the same standards as whites. I'm sure black people are flattered by your high assessment of their intelligence and character and your belief that they'll act like savages for at least the next "few centuries." So nice when people like you rip off the mask and show your true beliefs. |
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My mindset is that it is OK to pour some effort and money into black communities with very specific and limited goals to help improve their family and community ties. That's it though. restore their footing culturally. Don, I understand how you feel, and while not every feeling you express here is entirely unfounded, I do think you have a lack of ability to absorb the misfortune of others based upon your disdain or fear of their race. I agree that current race based admissions policies are far too generous to selected races. Also agree that there's a concerted effort to villainize white people by many organizations and government officials. Where we part on our beliefs is that I don't think we should let our government get away with swinging the pendulum to suit the needs or desires of those in power. You, on the other hand, want to hold the entire race accountable as the instigator. I don't believe a black person is inferior to a white person, genetically or otherwise. |
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"Did you expect kids raised like that over the course of centuries to somehow suddenly and magically cast off their past upbringing, be cast into a society they had previously only witnessed as spectators, and acquire all the social skills, family values, and adherence to ethics, and become an equal to those who had centuries of family roots, education, religious practice, and community support?" How pathetic! Nobody is "raised over the course of centuries..." Nobody is that old. Nobody. This is nonsense. There is no such thing as the kind of genetic imprinting that you suggest. There is no evidence to support it. From the colonial period onward, thousands of slaves were emancipated and lived productive useful lives and comported to the norms of civilized behavior. Many emancipated slaves in the south actually became slave owners in their own right. Slavery was first abolished in Vermont (before it became a state) and then in Massasschusetts. In the early 1800's, New York state had a large slave population that was gradually emancipated and those people adjusted to the challenges of freedom just fine. Likewise emancipated slaves in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticutt, and other Northern states made the transition, smoothly and seemlessly, to freedom. They married produced families, worked, started businesses, and voted, etc. The blacks in the south were slaves only for an additional half century longer than the slaves in New England and New York. Funny how emancipated slaves, who actually experienced slavery, whether in the Northern or Southern states, adjusted just fine to freedom and were able to comply with the norms of civilized behavior. Question: How did newly emancipated slaves make the transition to freedom without suffering from the "legacy of slavery." Answer: They never heard of "Black Studies." In the 1920's the Communist Party USA made a big pitch to "oppressed blacks and it fell flat. The CPUSA bemoaned the prosperity of American blacks and the influence of the black church as reasons for black indifference to communism. They were doing too well to sign on to a "share the wealth" agenda. In the 1920's, a black leader named Marcus Garvey was elected by a convention of 25,000 blacks as their leader. Yes...the only black "leader" in history who was actually elected as such by black people! He proposed an ambitious program of black business creation, black education and, among other things, black colonization of and nation building in Africa. He promulgated the Negro Bill of Rights among other things. Garvey was railroaded, convicted on phoney criminal charges (mail fraud), and deported from the US at the instigation of a politically powerful racist organization....the NAACP! The KKK actually raised money to finance Garvey's appeal, but without success. Garvey was destroyed by the politically powerful NAACP because Garvey's bold vision of economic development threatened the NAACP's "vision" of parasitism and dependency. Only after the recent introduction of the welfare state and "Black Studies" and financial incentives based on such bogus nonsense as the theory of "Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome" have blacks been disabled by the "legacy of slavery." Modern Black dysfunctionalism is not a product of centuries of slavery. It is a product of ethnic scammers, frauds, and pseudo intellectual drivel that has no basis in fact, science or genetics. In summary: There is no scientific or factual basis for your theory of black genetic impairment because of slavery. |
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Before I help you hijack this poor man's thread anymore, I'm going to point out that we are in the clutches of another legislative attempt at amnesty for illegals, and increases in immigration. It's quite serious...again.....and our people in Washington will sell us out for a lot less this time than last. Your country is under a threat of re-casting the electorate by welcoming a probable 15 million new voters, some whith a big axe to grind against the existing citizenry who have stood as sentinals keeping them out...for damn good reason. Why, Don...are we...mainly you...spending all this time rehashing the done deals of slavery, the emancipation, their assimilation, and all the parts and participles of that drama that the ship of your dreams seems to have foundered upon permanently, and which you cannot change at this point, when your many talents could be pressed into an attempt at addressing this new threat which have at least the possibility of making an impact on? |
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There has always been an insanity of one sort or another the centuries, maybe it depends on just who's ox is being gored at the moment.
The 60's and its aftermath has brought both good and bad, and I do see a lot more racial mixing, but in some ways we still have the racial consciousness of the 1950's merely turned upside down and inside out. Was the turmoil of the 60's a reaction to ultra nationalistic McCarthyism, extreme conservatism, racial disharmony boiling over and the Korean "police action" combined with Viet Nam thrown in as well as a few hallucinogenics and general decline of public conception of morality? How about all those single mothers now and children who might have tenuous ties to 3 or more families? I see that heart break every day, it generally wasn't that way back then. Another difference I see is that party crashers back then would go somewhere else when refused entrance, now the place gets shot up. It's just not the same, and I don't think we can put all the blame on illegal immigrants and minorities. Our subliminal concept of society - a notion of respect for one's self and others - has changed and not for the better. Not quite transferable, but there is a quote to the effect that the most dangerous time for a government is when it begins to reform, is that a parallel for our society and the aftermath of the 60's?
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