SOS Bulletin: Email in Circulation About Save Our State

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

I don't see how because I spelled it out pretty clearly in my last post. Reread what I wrote. Therein lies what I think are the (obvious) reasons publicly carrying on this "debate" in our forum is more than a foolish exercise.

Let me make this simpler: As soon as you can point out to me the benefit that would have accrued to us had Jean been entirely successful, you will have laid the first section of a reasonable refutation of what I stated. Let's just suppose that Jean's reasoned arguments had ever had a snowball's chance in Hell of succeeding, rather than generating the more-than-predictable blustery outburst about Gilchrist, organizational responses, choosing sides and other Nightingale-esque nonsense. You tell me what that would have been our gain.

OK, I'll start by reminding you of what came of me responding to Nightingales email campaign to discredit me after she evicted me from SOS months ago. Some truths were allowed to escape from the claws of those that have worked fervently to keep them under their control. In addition, people reading that reached out to me with their own stories, and it snowballed. I might also remind you that it was your response to that which taught me that you weren't driven from the movement by acts just like those. I had no idea you were still alive and active until then. That goes the same for numerous others that responded. And many of them are here now.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Well I'm amazed that you are so astounded. I'm astounded that you could be so disrespectful. What did you have to gain by being so? And your opinion is only 'your opinion'. I will not come on this board and do a tit for tat with you. I see that as serving no purpose. We both have a history that follows us, that's enough said. What I will say is William Gheen, Barbara Coe, Jim Gilchrist, Jeff Shwilk, and Glenn Spencer have never done anything to me and I don't consider them the enemy. I don't consider Chelene, Joe or Mike the enemy either, I just lost a great deal of respect for them for how little they thought of the members and our investment in the old organization, but I will not take that disappointment to the level where I want to destroy or weaken them.

This 'it's us or them' needs to stop. And whether it's someone from either side that declares that it should stop, to me is not important. I'm not going to waste my energy and time continuing to criticize others in this movement, even you. There is nothing to be gained by it. But unlike you and your opinion, I do feel that extending an olive branch may have its rewards. What was there to gain by not doing it? Keeping the status quo?

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Disrespectul? I don't recall being the party who unilaterally decided to inject our organization in a toxic squabble we largely left behind when we discarded Chelene Nightingale, Janet Dennis, Mike Williams, et al with the dead husk of the former corporate entity.

You keep repeating, Jean, that you have never had problems with A, B, C, D etc. and that you don't consider them enemies. So what? Who cares? Of what relevance is it? You're Switzerland, I believe you. Why do you deem this so important and keep waving it around as some justification?

Let's examine what you see fit to accomplish on our behalves.

1. This 'it's us or them' needs to stop.

OK, has it been stopped? Did Gheen react in the way you were hoping? What did you deem to be the chances that he would when you unilaterally undertook this little heart-to-heart?

2. I do feel that extending an olive branch may have its rewards.

Great, what were they going to be? Did you realize those rewards? What did you figure the odds were you'd be coming back with these tucked under your arm when you saw fit to speak for Save Our State?

[Susan4SovereignUSA]

I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.

Jim did not almost bring down the movement due to any association with Forde. Shawna had left Jim and was with her new group before her nutty idea. What IMO caused us to disband was the hi-jack attempt on Jim's org. Jim brought many including myself to the street by bringing national attention to the cause. Chelene's bad decision bringing sos member's into her fray with Jim, making member's choose...how juvenile. Why did she involve herself with that fight anyway...Jim won his case don't forget and all she won was a bad name for herself while destroying a very active org. As a Christian we are taught to forgive lest we not be forgiven and I do forgive, yet know there are those who have been so badly hurt by others actions if wounds heal it might take awhile if ever at all. Jeff Swilk needs to take the trash at his website off or no one will take him seriously, I read his smear link and was schocked! Trashing Jim, Frank and other's who fought so hard really upset me..shame on him. If Jim showed anger, rightly so who would not be enraged after everything that was done to him, why, because he wanted to save his Country, the one he fought bravely for in Viet Nam. I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause. Ultimately this is about fighting illegal immigration and I pray we succeed. God Bless

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Susan4SovereignUSA

I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause.

Eh? Where did she write that?

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Susan4SovereignUSA

I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.

Well, here we go again. I don't have a really strong opinion about Gilchrist because I hear conflicting stories about him, but Gheen is a horse of a different color. He refused to go to the Phoenix rally and would not support it on behalf of ALIPAC because he was under the false impression that one of the promoters of the event had some kind of Nazi connection. He has refused to even talk to the new SOS, and he's also not quite right in the head in my opinion (e.g., calling for the arrest of Meg Whitman when her housekeeper turned out to be illegal, starting a Lou Dobbs for President campaign, and various other half-baked ideas).

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Susan4SovereignUSA

I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.

Jim did not almost bring down the movement due to any association with Forde. Shawna had left Jim and was with her new group before her nutty idea. What IMO caused us to disband was the hi-jack attempt on Jim's org. Jim brought many including myself to the street by bringing national attention to the cause. Chelene's bad decision bringing sos member's into her fray with Jim, making member's choose...how juvenile. Why did she involve herself with that fight anyway...Jim won his case don't forget and all she won was a bad name for herself while destroying a very active org. As a Christian we are taught to forgive lest we not be forgiven and I do forgive, yet know there are those who have been so badly hurt by others actions if wounds heal it might take awhile if ever at all. Jeff Swilk needs to take the trash at his website off or no one will take him seriously, I read his smear link and was schocked! Trashing Jim, Frank and other's who fought so hard really upset me..shame on him. If Jim showed anger, rightly so who would not be enraged after everything that was done to him, why, because he wanted to save his Country, the one he fought bravely for in Viet Nam. I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause. Ultimately this is about fighting illegal immigration and I pray we succeed. God Bless

Susan, I think you either need to reread all of my comments, comprehensively, and retract what you said. I have never, in any post or conversation, said that Gilchrist "almost (brought) down the cause". That seems a bit out of left field.

[The Waco Kid]

Jean,
You were one of the Chelene brigade and you followed her and did your share to support her; some of which included bashing of Gilchrist and others who would not put up with her BS, so maybe Susan is referring to older events. All I know is you seemed to be extremely pro-Nightinhell /anti Gilchrist and I am sure many others got that impression.

And as long as we are talking about these petty sort of things I would like to say to you that you need to stop being so rude when I call in to support SOS radio. You go out of your way to disagree; if I were to say the grass is green and the sky is blue you would disagree. Let's face it here that kind of tude is not going to get us anywhere. I have bent over backwards be polite and ignore your attitude because I realize you have a difficult life but if you continue being so rude I am not going to support SOS radio anymore. I have better things to do that to suffer the petty rudeness of someone who has some sort of childish ax to grind.

We are on the same side you know so why not let your hostile feeling go? I am here to support the issue not to get into nonsensical arguments over nothing. Thanks.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

Jean,
You were one of the Chelene brigade and you followed her and did your share to support her; some of which included bashing of Gilchrist and others who would not put up with her BS, so maybe Susan is referring to older events. All I know is you seemed to be extremely pro-Nightinhell /anti Gilchrist and I am sure many others got that impression.

And as long as we are talking about these petty sort of things I would like to say to you that you need to stop being so rude when I call in to support SOS radio. You go out of your way to disagree; if I were to say the grass is green and the sky is blue you would disagree. Let's face it here that kind of tude is not going to get us anywhere. I have bent over backwards be polite and ignore your attitude because I realize you have a difficult life but if you continue being so rude I am not going to support SOS radio anymore. I have better things to do that to suffer the petty rudeness of someone who has some sort of childish ax to grind.

We are on the same side you know so why not let your hostile feeling go? I am here to support the issue not to get into nonsensical arguments over nothing. Thanks.

You are so wrong on so many levels. Never once did I ever say anything against Jim Gilchrist, NOT ONCE! Again I’ll repeat that so you can be sure you got it right, NOT ONCE. It seems you’re trying to test the waters here and drugging up something that never happened. I never took side with regards to Gilchrist or Gheen. It wasn’t my battle! But you sure seem more than willing to conjure up something. And as far as supporting Chelene, yes, I supported all the events she arranged and the effort put in arranging them. I have always said Chelene put a great deal of effort and time into SOS. That’s a fact. Just because you did not like her, doesn’t change that fact. She may have had ulterior motives, but putting those aside, she put in a great deal of time and effort into SOS. Even today, I respect that effort and I don’t put any energy into tearing her apart. I don’t have much respect for her exploiting SOS for personal gain, but that’s what people do when they’re trying to climb the political ladder. Her battle with others is between her and them, not with me.

There were limits to my support and what was actually happening in the background that you were not privy to. But I was treated "very hostile" by you and your cohort in the past, and I’m keeping you at arms length. I don’t expect everyone to hold hands and do sing-alongs together. But in the past, when things went bad, I didn’t say I’m taking my marbles and going home. I stuck in there and worked at keeping SOS viable. There were some members I didn’t care for, but I have always said, “I am not here to make friends” and that you can quote me on.

As far as being rude to you, yes I was! But because you kept interrupting me and I just got fed up with it. What you chose to do is your choice. But don’t tell others that anyone kicked you out or banned you, leaving will be your own choice. You can take your marbles home with you or you can stay. SOS will still go on. My goal is to support the causes in SOS’s mission statement. I’m keeping my marble in play.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Actually, his e-mail takes one more thing off my To Do list. I was going to contact him in a week or two and ask him to remove Save Our State from his list of coalition participants. I really didn't want us affiliated with an entity that is designed to ostracize a lot of people who have contributed a good deal.

He'll probably be doing that on his own now