The Attack Of The Stroller Pushers

[Ayatollahgondola]

'o14elise',

'Am I out of line in expecting the parent's to step up and discuss this with their offsping?

'MissT4TX',

\n\nThe big difference here being that this woman is married and her husband is supporting the family by having (gasp!) a job as oppose to 16 y/o, unmarried, high school drop outs pumping out a kid every year or two and living off of government programs and mom and dad's largesse while \"daddy\" is out impregnating more 14 - 16 y/o's.\n\nAnd if this were a typical situation, it certainly wouldn't have been a national news story

'why',

'True (that it's only a woman). Although a census study two days ago that looked at numbers per state and found that the place most likely to have teenage women have babies is the South. That area was also the most likely to have unmarried teenagers have babies.

'Kathy58',

Gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with the Georgiafornication of the south or the fact that South Carolina is filled with illegals.\n\nI wonder how many people are like my son.\n\nI was one of those suckers who believed in limiting family size so we don't overpopulate the US. I had one child. My son elected not to have any children. He doesn't want to bring a child into a subdivision of mexico. He doesn't want a child forced to learn the language of the invaders. He may have his income stripped from him in confiscatory taxes to pay for the upkeep of invasionary forces but he doesn't want to see that happen to his kids. He certainly doesn't want to see the country his forebears died for handed over to those who don't deserve it.\n\nI'd say that more than makes up for some woman having sixteen children.\n\nOur children is the first generation born who cannot do better than their parents. Who undoubtably will do worse. This generation may never own a home (mortgages are being handed out to illegals though). They run a risk that their job may never be stable. They can always be undercut by a newly arrived willing to work for less.\n\nWho would want to bring a child into the world when the nation is disintegrating? \n\nIn the last week. ONE WEEK. The woman who owns one of the local antique stores had her house rent double because the landlord can rent to 18 invaders and make more than she was paying. She moved into her shop. Now, the rent on her shop was increased because a mexican store with living quarters in the back will rent for more than she could possibly pay.\n\nOne of my customers came in yesterday. She moved into her apartment four months ago. The landlord just raised her rent by $500.00 because three hispanic families offered more if he could get her out. I rent. The property was just sold. My rent will go to $1,150 for a one bedroom with touchy plumbing, uncertain electricity and a leaky roof. I'm moving into the back of my shop too. Until some group of hispanics wants a place to drop half a dozen more kids.\n\nI'm glad I'll never have any more children because I certainly wouldn't want to bring a life into this third world cesspool.

'minuteman pilot',

Quite true. In the future the only way you will be able to afford to live in this country is if you do as the illegals do -- have 20 people chip in to pay the rent and live on top of each other like little mice. \n\nWhat amazes me though, is how WHY can take every fact and try to bend it to suit his warped view of the world. Is he actually suggesting that American woman are reproducing anywhere near what the invaders are!? I think that's all the illegal woman can to --- reproduce! He will mention an isolated case of a white politican in Arkansas who has a boat load of kids, then chime in that the south has the greatest brith rate.....all the while ignoring the overwhelming evidence of hispanics multiplying 10 times more than anybody else. As Michael Savage says --- Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER!

'Kathy58',

Maybe you must have a warped view of the world to live in it and not get so angry you can bite ten penny nails in two.\n\nIf you have 100 illegals hanging out on your street corner waiting for work that doesn't come, maybe you gotta find some unemployed guy in Appalachia or you couldn't wake up in the morning.

'AyatollahGondola',

'Guys and girls,\n\nthis thread really looks like sewer run-off from the outside. The picture of a pregnant mother that keeps resurfacing throughout the thread paints quite a tasteless canvass for any new or hopeful members. There might be some other way to get this message across without sinking to this level. Not that I'm above it mind you, as I am constantly reminded by our opposition on thier sites that my appearance to them has been described in more degenerative terms. I'm just wondering how good it looks in the advertisement department.

'Acebackwords',

Ayatolla: I agree with you that we need to constantly be re-appraising our approach. Is what we're putting out there having a possitve effect on winning the hearts and minds and winning the war? Or are we just blowing off hot air in a counter-productive way that turns off more people than it turns on?\n\nBut I have to respectfully disagree with you over the prego photo. A picture says a thousands words. And that graphic is the very image of the problem we all now face. Over-population is the single biggest threat to whats left of the quality of life in this country. These recent immigrants are by and large all fleeing coutries they've already ruined by over-populating themselves off the face of the earth. And now they're flooding into MY country by the millions and doing the same damn thing here. And I'll be damned if I'll sit back quietly and watch this happen. Anyone acting so irresponsibly in this day and age as to inflict endless millions of their offspring on the rest of us DESERVE to be mocked, degraded, and humiliated and inflicted with whatever other negative reinforcement it takes to get them to STOP doing what they're DOING before they RUIN whats left of my damn country. Anyone thats offended by that prego photo, well, I'm offended that they're offended. And to hell with them. \n\nTheres a place for being diplomatic and theres a place for pussy-footing around. But I don't think this is one of them. Though I could be wrong. And like I said, it all boils down to the EFFECT that it has. Which can be hard to gauge.

'AyatollahGondola',

OK Ace,\n\nI understand how you feel. But the picture of a pregnant woman cannot be looked upon in any other manner than one that sheds a negative light on pregnant women, or a racial one. Most of us understand why we feel the way we do, but expressing it doesn't get a the whole story told, and that leaves the rest up to the interpreter to fill in the blanks. What would rescue this photo from the confines I mentioned is to at least show her with a temporary visa in hand, or a t-shirt that says \"Reconquista Adentro

'Acebackwords',

Well yeah, you make a good point, Ayatolla. And like I said before, I'm just a secondary contributor to SOS mostly speaking from the sidelines. The only one's who's opinions really count, as to what is or isn't apporpriate at SOS, are the activists going to the protests and etc.

'dk1964',

Just so it's known...I found that picture on one of the Latino sites and added the red circle with the line across because it went with the the title of the thread. There were few other photos like hers on that site, boasting their big bellies, but still out there looking for someone to \"kick it\" and party with. As I see it, she's not representing pregnant women, she's representing the shameless, ignorant baby factories out there that don't know what \"keep your legs closed\" means, even though we teach them in school. As I see it, if she's stupid enough to post a picture like that for others to see, then she is glutten for ridicule.

[Ayatollahgondola]

'Cazamigrante',

I'd pretty much decided to stay off this thread.\n\nThen last week, we had an unmarried and barely-18-year-old hispanic girl come in for \"abdominal cramps\", and claiming her last period was four months ago.\n\nI expected she was pregnant, but upon medical exam, it turns out the \"cramps\" were coming five minutes apart, and her new first name is \"Mama\". The baby was full-term. :blink:\n\nWhen they're too ignorant to notice they've been pregnant for 40 weeks, nor realize they haven't had a menstrual period since last December, \"baby factory\" is probably too kind a description. \n\nFor someone like why to compare and equate that level of irresponsibility with a gainfully employed and legally resident American husband who provides for all 16 of his children is the dictionary definition of fatuous.

'techniac',

http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1105.html\n\nCenter for Immigration Studies \n\nBirth Rates Among Immigrants in America\nComparing Fertility in the U.S. and Home Countries\n\nOctober 2005\n\n

'ohighlass',

Waverider, Can you pin the date down? We could actually acknowledge it as the Beginning of the Housing Bubble and Skyrocketing Rents Day. Maybe we could all riot and trash local stores, and take stuff, too????!!!!!

'Acebackwords',

I've been saying for years that the number one reason for our housing shortage/homeless crisis is our insane level of Mass Immigration. You can make an exactly parrellel graph of both these trends growing relentlessly, side-by-side, over the last 30 years. Its as obvious as supply-and-demand. (relentless demand for new housing, along with dwindling supply as it gets gobbled up by the immigrant hordes, equal sky-rocketing housing costs).\n\nWe presently have a severe housing shortage virutally everywhere in California. What that means -- and what nobody in power seems to have considered -- is that every time an immigrant crosses the border, a new home needs to be built to accomodate him. Unfortunately, it can take less than 24 hours for an immigrant to cross the border. While it can take 6 months to a year to build a new home. Whats wrong with this picture? ANd when you multiply it by MILLIONS of people flooding across our borders, you begin to see the scope of the problem we now face. \n\nWhats happening is, the people on the bottom of American society -- the young, the old, the weak, the crazy, the blacks, the lazy, etc -- are being squeezed out of the housing market to make room for the endless hordes of invading immigrants. Thats exactly what happened. And you might wonder -- considering the endless b.s. you've read in the media on the subject of \"the homeless\" -- why you're probably reading about this for the first time here.\n\nThe inn is full. Every time an immigrant crosses the border, an American citizen gets squeezed out to make room for them.

'USA today',

Of course they have a network , \n If anyone doesn't think that all hispanics here arn't in favor of more and increased \nlegal and illegal immigration ......well , I have some swampland for sale \n\n The takeover of our gov't , citys , towns and states is in full swing

'Cinc310',

Well, if one thinks of the areas where Latinos settled in its mainly the older blue collar cities not the newer nice upper-middle class ones. If Los Angeles or Santa Ana and so forth did urban redevlopement back in the early 1980's, we probably have less latinos. Examples, take Huntington Beach versus either Santa Ana or Anaheim. Huntington Beach is only 14 percent latino and only has a barrio stripped at Beach Bld. Anaheim is 48 percent and Santa Ana about 80 percent. But the politicans and bussessmen at the time were not interested in it. Take cities like Portland and Seattle,most of their latino populations lived in the suburbs since they wanted to attract more of a upward mobile population and both are among the most white cities among major cities.

'Acebackwords',

There used to be cheap boardinghouse hotels for \"transcients\" in every city in America. That type of housing has been permanently overwhelmed by the immigrant hordes. Its gone. Period. Its particularly tragic for this young generation. That was exactly the kind of housing they could get when they were making that difficult transistion from living with their parents to living alone in the big bad world. It was almost a rite of passage: the kid leaves the suburbs and hits the city to make connections and jumpstart his life. Nowadays, these kids come to the city and theres nothing waiting for them except a place in the gutter. Unless they happen to start out with thousands of dollars in their pockets for first month, last month, deposit, etc, they are out of luck. An entire generation of young Americans have been sacrificed at the altar of our Mass Immigration nightmare. We have got to get these parasites out of our country.

'waverider',

I don't know what kids today do -- live with mommy and daddy until they are 35, I guess. When I came back to L.A. as a 20-something kid in the 70s, I had $1700 in cash, the clothes on my back, and was driving a '67 VW that burned a quart of oil a week. Within 5 days I had rented a $225. apartment in an old but quiet area and by the next week easily found a manual labor job working in an industrial building materials warehouse for liveable pay. In six months I had a newer car and had moved to a hillside apartment. Try doing that now. Today, those apartments are long gone, replaced by a gated enclave of townhouses that start at $500K. The company I worked for back then is still in business. One day a couple of years ago I took a sentimental journey back there to the old loading docks. It is 100% spanish-speaking Mexican nationals now. Not a white or black face in sight. When I worked there, there were four anglos and three African-americans. Our foreman was a middle-aged black guy with 3 kids. Don't tell me Americans, black or white, won't do that work. I unloaded many a railroad car with them by my side.

'EastCoastGrannie',

What about those Lateenas who are having babies at 13, 14, 15? These girls are underage - who is getting them pregnant? It is against the law to have sex with an underage girl. It has been in the news recently, that many pregnant minor girls have been inpregnated by older guys, over 18. This makes it the crime of statuatory rape. There have been some mention about some \"cultures\" where sex with very young girls is accepted. I wonder what \"culture\" that is?\n\nThis issue has come up in regards to abortions because the right-to-life people learned that many minor girls were having abortions. When it was discovered that many of the fathers were older men, the right-to-life groups tried to get the abortion clinics to give the names of the girls so the police could prosecute the men who impregnated them. The abortion clinics did not want to give the names of the girls. I don't know if this is in the courts or what, but it just goes to show that this problem is big enough to get national attention.\n\nHas anyone heard anything more on this? The legislators should be working on this. It is a very serious issue. I wonder if the \"sanctuary cities\" like Los Angeles would protect the scumbag dads? \n\n * * * * *\n\nAnother aspect to this - how are these underage girls supporting themselves and their children? Are we the taxpayers supporting them? If the girls are underage, does the welfare department make an effort to find the father and prosecute him for statuatory rape? \n\nEastCoastGrannie

'MadameButterfly',

I have been watching this thread for some time now and I want to put my three cents into the hat.\n\n1) Agreed, illegal aliens having babies in our country is a problem and that latino/hispanic cultures generally have more children than is the norm in America.\n\n2) I find the picture of the pregnant girl and general tone of this thread to be tasteless. While I understand the underlying sentiment, this thread has been very painful for me to watch develop. I think there are more intelligent ways to argue against automatic citizenship resulting from birth and to document pregnancy rates among different groups. You're entitled to your opinions and to vent but for the record, this one crossed that line for me.\n\n3) I do a lot of work with pregnant teenagers and a lot of research on the subject as a whole. Some of the ideas presented in this thread actually have factual basis but much of it is assumption based on personal experience that is not indicative of national trends. Illegal immigrants are not the single most prolific group of pregnant teens, nor are they the most likely to seek State or Federal benefits for their children. However, theyin the top three by both percentage of total population and by nominal quantitative analysis.\n\nAgain, I understand the frustration and our board is a welcoming place to vent on these issues but seriously...this is over the top.\n\np.s. I plan on having at least 5 children to repopulate America...lol'

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'NoAztlan!',

East Caost Grannie,\n\nI understand that the age of consent is 12 in Mexico, though maybe it varies by state. Since the unassimilated illegals bring every other aspect of their culture here, this would follow.\n\nIn Calif. we have a special election in Nov. Proposition 73 would require notification to a parent or guardian that a minor girl was getting an abortion. There are provisions for a judge to rule if the girl fears her family, etc. It is interesting that stats show that the average age of the father is I believe, 22. Clearly statutory rape. I suspect that people don't want prop 73 to pass simply because it may expose that this isn't so much 17 year old boy-girl hookups, but a 14 year old with a man much older.

'mixbreed',

<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(Alexander Hamilton @ Oct 21 2005, 08:07 PM) [snapback]53522[/snapback]</div>

\n\nI don't know, but I would be inclined to call him a saint.

[Ayatollahgondola]

'NoAztlan!'

'LA Mama,\nThen don't sign the petition going around for \"free\" preschool for 4 year olds. They have paid signature gatherers. It's nothing other than taxpayer funded daycare that will benefit you know who.

'SOSrules'

NO MAS MECHAS!!!\n\n\n<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(minuteman pilot @ Oct 14 2005, 08:36 AM) [snapback]52178[/snapback]</div>

\n\njust like AIDS!!!&#33

'joazinha',

What I REALLY hate about all this is that these foreign freeloaders ACTUALLY BELIEVE that they have EVERY right to RUN AMOK reproductively in OUR territory, then stick US with the BILL! DEPORT these parasitic ingrates AT ONCE, and ALL their BOUNDLESS bastard broods WITH them!

'Last Great Hope',

'LA Mama's post deserves a response:\n\nI am so glad *you* said that Madame. It was a bit painful for me as well. One thing in particular that I *like* about the Old Mexican culture is their large families. The \"New Mexican\" culture appears to be catching on late(as seems to be the pattern) to the propaganda and social programming that Americans were fed and tricked into believing -that \"2\" children per family is the \"right\" number to have.\n\nUh, how far did you get in basic arithmetic? Look at population trends over the past few decades and note the massive acceleration in birthrates and population growth in just the last 10-20 years. Its preposterous! Having two children per family is perfectly fine, and smart. Its certainly more sane than 8! Because, those 8 will also have large families and so on. Have you ever seen bacteria multiply? Its exponential and that is exactly what this culture does - overbreed and overpopulate. \n\n\nOne of the reasons that I was relieved and thankful for so long that there were so many Mexicans here was because I found it refreshing and reassuring that FINALLY there was a real presence in the U.S. to counter the God and Human hating left.\n\n\nHuh? You were glad there were so many Mexicans here? Well, if that is the way you feel you might as well move to Mexico because there are nearly the same amount there as here! Personally, if I wanted to live in Mexico I would have moved there. This is America though, and its going into the toilet as more of these invading Mexican hordes get across. AND, its the Left who support this invasion so I am not sure what angle you were trying for here.\n\n\nOur Christian American family has felt safer and like less of a spectacle for having a normal, healthy size family due in part to the Mexican and other immigrant, family loving cultures' influence.\n\n\"Family loving\". Please. It isn't that they overbreed because they love family, its because of their ignorance, primitive cultic religious practice and sheer irresponsibility. Do all those 16 year old \"Lateenas\" squirting out kids left, right and center because they love family or because they are friggin' stupid as hell? Think about it.\n\n\nA major concern for me with this entire anti-illegal immigration movement and debate has been the possibility of over-population zealots gaining control of the momentum and harnessing it to promote their God and human hating agenda. \n\nWell, I guess that makes me an overpopulation zealot because I am genuinely concerned with population growth patterns which are a REAL world problem. Look at China, India and Africa. It does not take exhaustive research to realize that large population growth is NOT productive and in fact endangers the environment and humanity itself. I dont hate God, I just dont believe in it and as far as humans, they're annoying for the most part. The less people the better, especially invading third worlders. Why is it that the move impoverished, those who should not be having any children since they can't afford basic necessities having the most children?

'Oldpreach',

'There is no such thing as overpopulation. It's all a propaganda campaign started by the far left zoids to eliminate the minorities. But, just like everything they do, it backfires on them. Now, they are the ones being eliminated, along with all others that decided to have no children as so many of those in my generation have done. My old hood would look like a cave if it were not for the illegals. Now, instead of a new generation of young folks based on who moved there in the 40's and 50's, it's chalk full of illegals.\n\nFace it, rich people are the ones not having children for the most part. So much for if you have money you can have kids!\n\nIts too bad all the illegals and now their anchor's are having all the children. If we were, we would not be in this mess. We would be to numerous for them to get a foothold.\n\nPrincess Cali was right, we threw all our babies in the dumpster, so now the invaders are taking over.\n\nIts all about resource management. The earth could easily handle over 10 billion people with no problem if it was done correctly. It is just too bad that greed, corruption and stupidity have to be the rulers instead of true good.\n\nWell, the second coming and heaven will take care of all that. Until then, its a mess and a fight to make it not so.\n\nOh yeah, I almost forgot. Lets at least be civil to one another. It does no good for our image to tar and feather one another simply becuzz we do not agree on some things.

'Oldpreach',

Tim,\n\nI think the perspective that LaMama is coming from is one that says that the earth is in a state of imbalance due to sin. Questions like the one you pose, within this particular context, have an answer that would only make sense if you kept the context strictly in mind. The answer is that it has nothing to do with the number of people, but the way in which they behave. The earth is being abused from sin related behavior. People are acting in insane ways. There is no denial of this fact. The only thing that keeps the planet from absolutely dissolving is that the more decent folks are compesating for the nuts. \n\nSo, God has nothing to say about there being so many people that certain animals are taking a pounding, (such as certain fish species like Cod, cutthroat trout and others. Endangered animals like the apes, elephants, tigers. Many Rain Forest animals too numerous to mention) but he has A LOT to say about us being so greedy, stupid, and evil as to get to this bad juncture. He would also have much of the same to say to us as many of us would say to the dummies. Hey, stop cutting half the Amazon down to make room for cows ! Stop killing all the tigers for there private parts so you can make a soup out of them for your \"sexual power\". Stop hunting elephants into extinction for their Ivory, and so on.

'Cat Patrol',

Just because Americans only average 2 kids per family doesn't give Mexico the right to send their people here to make up for it. The one thing has nothing to do with the other.

'LAmama',

Hello Tim,\n\nThank you for taking time to research this topic and come up with some statistics. The hectares and statistics are over my head. But if you would be willing to address it on a level I can more easily relate to, would you agree that just because many Americans consume so much, doesn't mean all Americans do and that the lifestyles of certain families are much more gentle or earth friendly than others? And that more and more people/families can learn better and better ways of using the earth? \n\nFor example, a healthy size family of 12(10 children and 2 parents) might only own/drive one car, use cloth diapers, breastfeed exclusively (which quite consistently induces lactational amenorrhea, producing a natural space of approximately two years between births of children,) occupy a much smaller home and lot than your typical, small, American family of 4,(2 children and 2 parents) right? \n\nBelow are a few links that I thought you *might* find interesting.\n\nThe first is to the discussion forum at overpopulation.com\n\nhttp://www.overpopulation.com/discussion/\n\nThe second one is to Julian L. Simon's book, \"The Ultimate Resource\" at Amazon. Like most books at Amazon, there are customer reviews of the book. This book has thus far received 36. \n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846\n\nAnd last, very easy reading is Ben J. Wattenberg's latest book, \"Fewer.\"\n\nSincerely'

'1inchgroup',

\n\nYou guys remember this from a mural in San Diego, college building I think...\n\nThey preach this...while a third of my generation is at the bottom of planned parenthood trashcans.

'Acebackwords',

<div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(Last Great Hope @ Oct 28 2005, 03:14 PM) [snapback]54581[/snapback]</div>

\n\n\nDid you really mean that, Preach?\n[/b]

\n\nI have to respectfully disagree with Old Preach on this one. I think over-population is one of the gravest threats to whats left of our quality of living. Its no coincidence that the countries where the vast majority of recent immigrants are coming from have one thing in common: the most irresponsible over-breeding practises on the planet. They've already ruined the quality of life in their own countries by over-populating themselves off the map. And now they're flooding into our country and doing the exact same thing here. Its unbelievable. How can America be so asleep at the wheel to let this disaster unfold right before their eyes with barely a whimper of protest.[/QUOTE]


'Bryan in OC',

\n\nMy take is that it has to do with materialism and \"status\" : cell phones, Hummers, 40-foot 5th-wheel trailers,flat-screen TVs, and the fact that nobody in Oprah Winfrey's circle has had it bite them in the rear'

'erc22',

Didn't read the whole post, but work in a more affluent suburb of Chicago (fast food; broke college student :P ) and we have 3 pregnant one, two illegals, and one American born (Mexican descent). They're everywhere, the Anchor Baby issue really needs to be addressed.

[Twoller]

Ayatollah, are these the result of your attempt to get into the old forum database? Are you still making efforts in this area? It's great that you try to repost these old threads, but basically, they are unreadable posted this way.

It sure would be great to repost those old forums. I'm still available to assist in any such effort.

[ilbegone]

The thread is hard to read and maybe reproductions such as this would benefit from a little judicious clean up concerning readability.

And while I do believe that, unlike in past migrations from Latin America, a greater percentage of lower class individuals with greater levels of ignorance and other less desirable attributes are permanently moving here, I agree with this post by Madamme Butterfly:

I have been watching this thread for some time now and I want to put my three cents into the hat.\n\n1) Agreed, illegal aliens having babies in our country is a problem and that latino/hispanic cultures generally have more children than is the norm in America.\n\n2) I find the picture of the pregnant girl and general tone of this thread to be tasteless. While I understand the underlying sentiment, this thread has been very painful for me to watch develop. I think there are more intelligent ways to argue against automatic citizenship resulting from birth and to document pregnancy rates among different groups. You're entitled to your opinions and to vent but for the record, this one crossed that line for me.\n\n3) I do a lot of work with pregnant teenagers and a lot of research on the subject as a whole. Some of the ideas presented in this thread actually have factual basis but much of it is assumption based on personal experience that is not indicative of national trends. Illegal immigrants are not the single most prolific group of pregnant teens, nor are they the most likely to seek State or Federal benefits for their children. However, theyin the top three by both percentage of total population and by nominal quantitative analysis.\n\nAgain, I understand the frustration and our board is a welcoming place to vent on these issues but seriously...this is over the top.\n\np.s. I plan on having at least 5 children to repopulate America...lol'

Here is the bottom line of it all:

If politicians on both sides of the isle weren't colluding on neutralizing immigration law, there wouldn't be such a problem as alluded to in this thread.

And, if those same politicians didn't look the other way concerning American employers hiring illegal labor...

The problem is of a white American origin in spite of the great efforts of the Latino activist block to make that problem a much bigger one.

Politicians of every stripe need to understand that their "public service" will be a short one term show if they don't get their act together concerning illegal immigration. Illegals wouldn't come here without a payoff for their trouble.

[wetibbe]

Why so many babies:

* First the campesinos and obreros engage in their favorite past time. Doesn't really matter if they are married, or sub-teen age, or are forcibly raped.

* Secondly they are amoral and unconscionable as well as irresponsible.

* Thirdly, they get to drop the anchor with all of the attendant goodies, prenatal care, free hospitalization, welfare, food stamps, local entitlements all amounting to an estimated income of $10,000 per year per child. And ultimately chain migration.

* Fourthly, their Government and the Latino/Hispanic racist groups promote the overpopulation of the USA with Latinos and the eventual goal of dominating and spreading their culture and language in America.

* Fifthly surely the Catholic church plays a big role in infuencing them to not use contraceptives, not have abortions and to do like the bible says - pro-create abundantly.

* Sixthly - free education. In Mexico school is mandatory only to the 6th grade. After that the parents pay and it is somewhat synonymous to our colleges here, the student pays for further education. In Mexico the student pays after 6th grade. *( Here in my state some Guatemalans have been apprehended that are illiterate and cannot count numbers ).

* Seventh - job opportunity. Picking corn back home pays $4.00 per day. Here the going rate for a day laborer is $10.00 per hour in the North East and around $7.00 per hour in the Southern border states. *( New York State minumum wage is $7.25 per hour including domestic help. Meg Whitman's maid Nicky Diaz Santillan was paid $23 per hour, 3 three times the NYS minimum wage.

Here are New York State Departmernt of Labor prevailing wages for State financed construction jobs. These scales are basically union wages.

http://wpp.labor.state.ny.us/wpp/vie...ageSchedule.do

Nicky Diaz was paid more, as domestic help, than many of these skilled workers such as journeymen and those in their 3rd and 4th year. Her hourly rate was above that of the majority of non-union workers such as carpenters, plumbers, operating engineers.

[ohighlass]

I remember when I was working at the polling place a couple of years ago. All the mexican stations were promoting, "Get out and Vote" to their listeners.

While at the polling place, three mexican women entered - none speaking English, of course, and obvioulsy of the illegal persuasion. One was the grandmother, one was pregnant, and one was pregnant and pushing a little girl in a stroller. It was as if they were attempting to proclaim, 'BEHOLD THE WOMBS THAT CONTAIN YOUR FUTURE' ----

I will also mention that none of them filled out their ballots correctly and were then tossed into the "cannot count" pile.

Breeding the Caucasions out of majority status has been going on for quite a while. The blacks have been doing it for years. Two weeks ago a black man was on the America's Most Wanted criminals list of the show. John W said is was impossible to track the man down to family ties and probable hide-outs due to the fact that he had 270 couisins. Now the muslims are attempting to outbreed us all.

My husband and I believed the garbage that green peace and the sierra club threw at us in the 70s and 80s to "Have only 1-2 children in order to SAVE THE PLANET." Where are they now? What is their mantra now? They don't even care about the trash left behind in the Sonora Desert.