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Term limits got rid of the Willie Brown political machine in California, but greatly contributed to the problems we have now.
"Legislators" who won't talk to each other and shaft one another at every opportunity, are deaf to the populace and are happy to "solve" the budget crisis by allowing California to nosedive into irreparable financial doom, and waste time on insignificant pet legislation which harms employment when we need jobs most. Maybe term limits would work every half generation to clean out the rats and snakes, but having career politicians on permanent lame duck status in every elected position they temporarily occupy is hardly productive. And I'm not really wild about our new open primary as it has been created, I'm sure it can be manipulated to our collective harm. There may be merit in being registered as "voters" rather than as party members. At least twice to my recollection my Independent registration has been changed to another party - once from independent to Republican and most recently I have been changed from independent to Democrat. This last primary I wasted no time in paying back the Democrats for fraudulently changing my registration by placing a vote for every loser on the democratic ticket I could, and wrote in a few like Francis the Talking Mule and Mr. Ed as part of the "minority" ticket. Friggin' Jackasses.
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The reason that everyone should not have a chance to vote on every candidate in a primary is precisely because a nominee for the primary is strictly an affair for members of a political party. The Republicans have nothing to say about who is nominated for the Democrats and the Democrats have nothing to say about who is nominated for the Republicans. This is how bad the "two party system" has gotten. We have people unable to distinguish what the primary elections are even about. This is why reforming them with "open primaries" where everyone can vote for any of the candidates in the primary is completely insane. It makes no sense whatsoever. We already have an election following the primary where people can vote for whoever they want outside of the political parties. This is the election following the primary where the whole purpose of the primary election is supposed to be fulfilled and the nominees run for the actual office. It is even possible that there be a candidate in this race who never even showed up in the primaries. There is no legal requirement anywhere in the United States that says a political party must participate in any primary election. Furthermore, it is not even necessary for anyone running for office to belong to a political party at all. This is how ridiculous the notion of an "open primary" is. In the last primary election last June here in California, a proposition passed to run "open primaries". It is a legal absurdity and one wonders how it even made it to the ballot. Quote:
But yes, there is a connection between the political primary system and the "two party system". They are two heads of the same monster that has taken over government throughout the US. Get rid of the two party system. Term limits for all federally elected officials, at least, and criminalize recording party affiliation for purposes of voter registration. It will work.
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It would be pretty hard to get rid of the two major party system without putting some mechanisim in place for preventing people from voting to one of the two major parties.
I think ending the closed party system will be on the ballot in November so we'll see how many people forgot why we put in a closed party system in the first place. Since most people vote for one of the two major parties, and you can't stop that from happening, an open primary assures that the weakest and most ill qualified win the primary for that party. |
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You have completely missed the above discussion. It doesn't matter whether people vote for one of the two major parties. The problem is not the two major parties, it is the monopoly that the two parties, the "two party system" has on our government. The "two party system" is confusing itself with government and so is the public. Open primaries is an absurdity that further entrenches the "two party system".
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That racial party crashed and burned, but its goals are now being realized through the Democrats. Look at the California legislature since Willie Brown finally and deservedly got axed, how have "term limits" fixed our mess? Not at all. Actually made them much, much worse. What's the solution? Right now I can only think of the guillotine. But, what did that really do for France, beside kill lots of French citizens and, through Napoleon taking advantage of the turmoil under the guise of "revolution", plunge Europe into devastating war for many decades? Will creating a third party help us, or hopeless divide our votes?
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 09-01-2010 at 08:15 PM. |
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