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02-13-2010, 11:20 AM
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Photostat of Susan Nordyke's 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)
Will Hawaii destroy Obama's birth certificate? Investigator cites procedural changes that could allow it --WND Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates Real documents include name of doctor, hospital --WND Lou Dobbs: Just produce birth certificate CNN anchor says Obama's presidential actions could be 'illegal' --WND New doubts revealed in Obama's nativity story School documents show mother left father within weeks of birth --WND The latest on 'Certification of Live Birth' Officials confirm 'Obama document' not necessarily accurate --WND Congressional support for proof of eligibility grows 10th congressman now supports election law change --WND $100,000 offered for proof of eligibility Businessman asks how president can issue orders 'if he is not qualified' --WND Left rises to squash CNN's Lou Dobbs E-mail campaign to get 'stupid, overpaid, racist wingnut off air once and for all' --WND Hawaii's statement on Obama birth record breaks law? Health spokeswoman has pointed to statute that bars her from comment --WND Hawaii health official: Trust me 'Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen' --WND CNN wrong once again – birth record not destroyed Hawaii contradicts network boss' claim that Obama certificate no longer exists --WND Fax blast asking states to investigate eligibility Campaign seeks audit by attorneys general of election documentation --WND Gibbs: 10,000 more important issues than eligibility But he admits at news briefing questions won't go away --WND Soldier's case against Obama to be class-action? Army major challenged orders based on questions about president's eligibility --WND Why eligibility story is still alive Public awareness triggered by Farah's billboard campaign --WND Passport seeker has no sympathy for Obama Says he can't cross river to visit family without showing birth certificate --WND AOL poll from July 2009 AOL poll: 81% want Obama to release it Say president should show American people birth certificate --WND 'Shut up Lou Dobbs' campaign hits stride CNN anchor simply wants birth certificate revealed --WND WND being censored from search engines? Obama birth certificate links buried on Google News site --WND White House stonewalling on 'birth letter' Ignores repeated requests to authenticate Obama message declaring exact hospital --WND Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace Announcements published in 1961 not solid evidence of U.S. location --WND Obama's online 'birth cert' misses 'proving' eligibility 'There are some documents that say things that aren't true' --WND Limbaugh: 'Obama has yet to prove he's a citizen' Radio giant blasts president's refusal to show long-form birth certificate --WND Birth records get murky when adoption involved Dual citizenship can result, parents names changed --WND Demand soars for eligibility postcards Birth certificate issue remains uppermost in readers concerns --WND 'Birth certificate' seller vanishes into thin air Dubious eBay character dodges agent, lawyer, verification team --WND Another paper changes 'Obama's origin' Deletes reference to continent of president's birth --WND 'Birth hospital': Letter for real New images of 'Obama document' at center of eligibility controversy --WND Barack Obama states in this purported letter from him on what appears to be White House stationery that he was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu. Lib talker, Lou Dobbs now asking eligibility questions Radio, television, newspapers taking note of long-running dispute --WND 'Begone!' Georgia judge orders fired reservist Officer's orders to Afghanistan jerked after challenge to Obama's eligibility --WND Pentagon orders soldier fired for challenging prez Army warrior terminated from job after questioning Obama eligibility --WND Join 445,000 others in seeking citizenship proof Petition demands verification of Obama's eligibility --WND Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace --WND 'Documents' show Obama birthplace in Hawaii? News site claims unidentified records reveal president's U.S. roots --WND Americans go crazy for birth certificate post cards Hilarious gift with important message strikes chord with patriots --WND Eligibility arguments to get court hearing 'For 1st time, we have a judge who's listening' --WND Now White House joins 'birth hospital' cover-up Spokesman belittles WND reporter, asks 'what reporting' has been done --WND U.S. officer demands answer: Is Army 'corps of chattel slaves?' Court challenge demands conscientious objector status unless evidence provided --WND Wikipedia says Obama born in Kenya Online encyclopedia can't make up its mind on president's birthplace --WND Just who delivered baby Barack Obama? Physician who attended birth remains shrouded in mystery --WND Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii Obama's 'birth hospital' in astonishing cover-up Hospital once proudly celebrated president, now in active mode to hide 'proof' --WND News reports: Obama born in Africa Ghana paper calls Africa 'continent of his birth' --WND Obama 'smear' site vanishes from Web Statements scrubbed on birth certificate --WND Obama birth letter: Is this thing for real? See what hospital posted on website, then pulled down hour after story --WND Hawaii Supremes asked to take 'action' on WND report Story documented conflicting Obama birthplace claims --WND Hawaii upgrades 'certification of live birth' State dumps exclusion on document for home lands program --WND Eligibility claims attracting high-level interest Joint Chiefs counsel, Justice Department now involved --WND Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii U.S. hospitals 'wouldn't have to disclose Hitler' Whether Obama or anyone else, facilities keep their lips sealed --WND News sites swap Obama's birthplace like magic UPI, Snopes change location within hours of WND report --WND Obama calls Jakarta his 'old hometown' Was president citizen of world's most populous Muslim nation? --WND Obama birth mystery: More than 1 hospital Myth-busting website, news articles say president not born in location he claims --WND Hospital won't back Obama birth claim Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center refuses to confirm White House letter --WND Holder 'conflict' cited in eligibility case Lawyer says attorney general must enforce Constitution --WND Want to send Barack Obama a message? 'Where's the birth certificate?' postcards available now --WND eBay seller claims certified Kenya birth certificate Says copy sports embossed seal, signature of physician --WND For 6th time, eBay 'birth certificate' seller erased Doubts grow as document, video, contact missing --WND Screenshot of eBay auction claiming to have Obama's 'Kenyan birth certificate' 'Citizen grand jury' organizers deliver accusations 'Presentments' against Obama given to White House, FBI --WND The latest on eBay's 'Kenyan birth certificate' Now it's an autographed photograph for sale --WND Check out latest eligibility billboard location See 'birth certificate' campaign that revived debate nationwide --WND eBay warns buyers off $1 mil 'Kenyan birth certificate' Administrators tell members who contacted seller not to respond again --WND President Obama (White House photo) Lawyer notifying president of lawsuit California case challenges Obama's eligibility --WND Obama secrecy could prevent recognition of birthplace Most presidents' homes provided federal designation --WND Will 'truth about Obama' be sold on eBay? Bids soar past $15,000 for alleged proof of president's Kenyan birth --WND The ad campaign that revived eligibility debate See the impact of 'birth certificate' billboards nationwide --WND Hawaiian newspaper to WND: Drop dead Star-Bulletin rejects full-page ad asking for help on Obama's birth --WND 'Kenyan birth certificate' remains eBay mystery Investigator who traveled to Africa 'skeptical' document is real deal --WND 'Proof' of Kenyan birth scrubbed twice on eBay But seller of 'Obama's birth certificate' dodges administrators to post 3rd time --WND For sale on eBay: Obama's 'Kenyan birth certificate' Seller claims Mombasa document 'certified copy' --WND Judge: Eligibility dispute is 'serious' Says case will be expedited when representation lined up --WND Billboard on I-35 in Waco, Texas Eligibility issue hits local news Radio anchor: 'Most still very much in doubt' --WND Question on everyone's mind Bumper stickers highlight eligibility doubts --WND Hearing set on default in Obama eligibility case Judge asks for 2nd confirmation that president notified of case --WND $10,000 bounty for any witness to Obama's birth Editor encourages readers to help him up the ante --WND Billboard cartel says no to questioning Obama Trade group headed by Democrat donor discouraged acceptance of eligibility --WND What's the difference? Compare 'long-form' Hawaiian birth certificate with Obama's --WND Shocker! Most Americans know of Obama eligibility questions Despite near media blackout on coverage, 49.3% 'troubled,' think he should release birth certificate --WND Gibbs gets 2nd shot at eligibility question But he doesn't answer attorney's query about piles of sealed records --WND Grass roots sign onto eligibility billboard campaign Washington state 'Where's the Birth Certificate' sign appears --WND Appeal promised of eligibility lawsuit Accuses Obama of fraudulently serving as senator --WND Trifecta: 3rd media outfit bans Obama eligibility ads Clear Channel joins CBS, Lamar in dissing constitutional question --WND Businessman boots Lamar over eligibility issue Billboard company disses birth certificate question, now losing business --WND Rush LImbaugh Shep Smith attacks right-wing 'crazies' Rips people questioning eligibility as being 'out there in a scary place' --WND Rush Limbaugh pummels Obama on birth certificate Radio giant clowns about president's similarities, differences with God --WND Question that won't go away So what's the problem with an ordinary piece of paperwork? --WND Obama: Where have all his records gone? Footprints of president's own history either vanish or remain covered up --WND Door slams on Hawaiian hospital records Is Obama eligible? 'We cannot respond to your inquiries' --WND 2nd major billboard company rejects eligibility campaign Lamar Outdoor: 'misleading to indicate there's question about president's birth certificate' --WND Obama 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification --WND All topics open to discuss – except Obama eligibility 100% of posts scrubbed from White House transparency site ask about birth certificate --WND 'Birthers' battle on – eligibility battle at next level White House can't avoid questions about citizenship in 'open government dialogue' --WND Eligibility billboards dubbed 'misleading' Trade association defends CBS ban on 'Where's the birth certificate?' --WND 'Transparent' White House blacklists 'birthers' Obama eligibility topic missing from plans for next phase of dialogue --WND White House 'Open Government Dialogue' website overrun with concerns about president's eligibility Cover-up: CBS bans eligibility billboards Industry signange leader rejects campaign asking 'Where's the birth certificate?' --WND Surrounding Obama with eligibility question Websites, billboards, press briefing -- and bumper stickers --WND White House dialogue site scrubbed of eligibility posts Many Obama birth certificate queries yanked from 'transparency' debate --WND Eligibility explodes on White House 'dialogue' site 77% of voters demand Obama release long-form birth certificate --WND Obama asks which public records you want to see On White House site, most answer establishing his eligibility to serve --WND Appeals court dumps eligibility arguments 'I am totally disappointed that there has been this delay' --WND Birth certificate issue No. 1 at Fox News Obama eligibility most talked about topic on news website --WND |
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02-13-2010, 11:22 AM
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If that's a birth certificate, I'll ...
New campaign helps people creatively express 'flushtration' over eligibility --WND New bid to unseal Obama's birth certificate Challenge claims Hawaii waived privacy by talking about document --WND Obama flack laughs off birth certificate question 'It's on the Internet, Lester,' claims Gibbs at White House briefing --WND Media find eligibility billboard campaign irresistible Effort to see Obama's document covered by the London Times --WND Birth certificate campaign tops $45,000 'This is the way the truth will win in the end,' says organizer --WND Americans vote with wallets to see Obama documents $75K already given to 'truth and transparency' billboard campaign --WND Grand juries cite Obama for ineligibility, treason Hundreds of 'presentments' being handed to prosecutors --WND Unwrapped! Birth certificate billboard No. 1 First sign erected in 'truth and transparency' campaign --WND Obama eligibility lawyer cites dangers from delays 'Every passing day impacts lives of Americans' --WND U.S. bonkers for Obama birth certificate billboards Campaign strikes chord on presidential eligibility issue --WND U.S. Supreme Court The 'Where's the birth certificate?' campaign Would you like to see this billboard in your town? --WND How to get eligibility ruling from Supremes Lawyer outlines strategy to prompt court decision --WND 2nd congressman: Prove eligibility Virginia representative signs onto plan to demand evidence --WND Eligibility attorney plans return to Supreme Court Says, 'I will be filing until I get an answer' --WND Eligibility case defendants don't want to answer now Lawyer for Obama, Congress says representation decision unmade --WND Is Obama campaign cash quashing eligibility suits? FEC shows more than $1 million paid to top law firm since election --WND Join 445,000 others in seeking citizenship proof Petition demands verification of Obama's eligibility --WND Orly Taitz announces new blog California attorney behind Obama eligibility lawsuits moves battle to fresh website --WND Did state election papers include eligibility perjury? Campaign seeks investigation by attorneys general of documentation --WND Kentucky elections officer wants eligibility investigated Refers matter to state attorney general for review --WND See where 'barrysoetoro.com' takes you on Internet What does website using president's childhood moniker mean? --WND 'Twittered' eligibility case lawyer faces threat of sanctions Team defending Obama, Biden warns of 'costs, expenses, fees' --WND Orly Taitz (WND photo / Chelsea Schilling) Meet fierce blonde behind Obama eligibility lawsuits Soviet Union survivor: President spits in face of every U.S. citizen --WND Doubt about Obama eligibility spreads Writer concedes 'ambiguities' weren't 'satisfactorily resolved' --WND What about the hospital of his 'birth'? Hawaii moves to make Obama childhood home national landmark --WND Analyst warns eligibility could become flashpoint 'It is morphing now to include members of the armed forces' --WND Supreme Court asked to cooperate with FBI Attorney investigating Obama's eligibility reports cyber attacks --WND The ultimate special report on eligibility Why millions still demand proof Obama is constitutionally fit for office --WND Eligibility judge backs off sanctions threat Instead 'reprimands' attorney representing military officer --WND Citizen grand jury indicts Obama Groups in 20 more states reviewing eligibility claims --WND Keyes to appeal case on Obama's eligibility Lawyer says dismissal 'eviscerates' Constitution's rules for president --WND Federal criminal complaint contends Obama ineligible Ex-officer alleges prez used 'contrivance, concealment, dissembling and deceit' --WND Eligibility lawyer says Homeland Security shadowing him Reports incidents involving county, federal agents --WND Obama open for questions from you today Farah urges readers ask most obvious: Where's the birth certificate? --WND Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge Taitz documents demanding proof of Obama's birthplace to be reviewed --WND Suggesting eligibility proof gets congressman scorned Faces comments including, 'Take the Reynolds Wrap off your head' --WND Vice President Joe Biden Biden jokes about Obama's birth certificate at dinner Says Cheney left copy of document in vice presidential desk --WND Supremes read Kansas blog? Focused on page dealing with claims of ineligibility --WND Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes '305 million Americans need to know if foreign national is usurping presidency' --WND Man critical of Obama case judge visited by marshals 'I told your Gestapo goons we had nothing to talk about' --WND Judge ripped for using blog eligibility hearsay Obama case lawyer says he's entitled to birth certificate discovery hearing --WND Chief justice accepts 'eligibility' petition Roberts agrees to read Obama docs, consider WND's 330,000 signers --WND U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla. Eligibility bill hits Congress Representative files law requiring candidates show birth certificate --WND Court: No need for state to check prez' eligibility Judge throws out complaint brought on behalf of Keyes --WND Did Supreme Court clerk torpedo eligibility cases? Taitz submits motion for rehearing in case challenging Obama's citizenship --WND Why are there still questions about qualifications? Arguments of president's defenders never actually addressed eligibility --WND What congressmen say about eligibility Lawmakers' letters insist 'president was born in Hawaii' --WND Antonin Scalia Scalia: You need 4 votes for Obama eligibility case Lawyer confronts justice about prez's qualifications --WND Is Snopes.com infallible? If website calls Obama eligible, then he must be, right? --WND Eligibility issue sparks 'edit war' Wikipedia blocks users from posting criticism of Obama --WND Wikipedia scrubs Obama eligibility Mention of citizenship issues deleted in minutes, 'offending' users banned --WND Judge James Robertson Judge: Eligibility issue thoroughly 'twittered' Dismisses case brought by retired military officer --WND Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility' Arizona's Kyl cites website that assumes Hawaiian birth --WND Senator: Eligibility is up to the voters Republican Martinez implies constitutional requirement for presidency can be bypassed --WND U.S. soldier gagged on prez's eligibility Military member seeking documentation silenced --WND More military officers demand eligibility proof Plaintiff: 'In the worst case … it's going to be revolution in the streets' --WND Obama eligibility tops AOL News Internet reports mock 'Birthers' who want constitutional proof --WND California used to check prez candidates' eligibility Lawsuit seeks school records to verify citizenship status --WND Retired Maj. 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Carroll Childers Major General says president's eligibility needs proof 'Most important, what I really want is the truth' --WND Eligibility lawyer argues for president's deportation Berg seeks proper treatment for 'illegal alien' --WND 2nd U.S. soldier in Iraq challenges eligibility Says issue could decide if 'we are a Constitutional Republic' --WND Soldier questions eligibility, doubts president's authority 'As an officer, my sworn oath to support and defend our Constitution requires this' --WND Senator questions Obama eligibility Shelby: 'They said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate' --WND Eligibility petition hits quarter-million mark Nearly 3,000 a day question Obama's constitutional suitability --WND Alan Keyes: Stop Obama or U.S. will cease to exist Claims 'communist usurper' plunges country into chaos --WND States reviewing 'eligibility' challenges Montana tables plan while Oklahoma's gets committee approval --WND Keyes: President 'has something to hide' about eligibility Says Dem 'asked to be chosen, therefore must answer' --WND 'Sanctions' sought in eligibility case President's attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public --WND State lawmakers: Prove you're president, Mr. Obama Case being assembled to demand eligibility documentation --WND Eligibility issue: McCain checked but not Obama Lawsuit contends Congress failed to qualify Democrat for Oval Office --WND Congress sued to remove prez from White House 'Defendants had to ensure the Constitution is upheld' --WND What did president tell Supreme Court? Lawyer in eligibility case seeks records of secret discussions --WND Has newspaper really solved eligibility question? Retired teacher cited as proof but she claims no first-hand knowledge --WND President's meeting with judges questioned Lawyer challenging eligibility raises issue of secret conference --WND Eligibility battle rages on 3 fronts Court, Congress and college challenged on constitutionality --WND Join 445,000 others in seeking citizenship proof Petition demands verification of Obama's eligibility --WND Please check eligibility, thousands ask Supremes Another round of urgent requests delivered to high court --WND Latest eligibility challenge rejected Justices' conference results in no action on constitutional questions --WND Eligibility issue to follow Obama into Oval Office Supreme Court sets 'natural born' conference to follow inauguration --WND Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse ads questioning Barack's eligibility --WND Supreme Court to take up eligibility question again Conference to evaluate claims president-elect isn't qualified --WND FedEx Supreme Court on Obama's eligibility WND makes it easy, cheaper to ask justices to resolve questions --WND AOL: Growing majority worried over eligibility Even half in Illinois say issue should be reviewed, resolved --WND Berg files new challenge to eligibility 'There is nothing more important than our U.S. Constitution' --WND Attorney Stephen Pidgeon Eligibility case finds 'standing'? New suit claims unique state law enables citizens to demand proof --WND Most covered-up of 2008: Natural-born citizen WND editors join with readers to determine the year's top 10 --WND Message to Congress: Protect Constitution Effort seeks volunteers to challenge eligibility --WND Eligibility remains focus of Supremes' conferences Dispute posted on docket twice after Electoral College votes in --WND Supreme Court to talk about Obama 3rd time Berg eligibility case set for conference Jan. 9 --WND More challenges fail in Supreme Court Kennedy turns back cases based on eligibility questions --WND Investigator casts doubt on Obama's birth residence Neighbor believes family didn't live at address in newspaper announcement --WND Obama citizenship issue has merit, AOL poll says Nation seeks answers to questions about president-elect's eligibility --WND Supreme Court refuses 2nd challenge to eligibility Case alleges dual citizenship disqualifies Obama for office --WND Status report: The eligibility issue Several cases still challenge whether senator can become president --WND Thousands advise electors to check eligibility But 1 who teaches 'Marxist theory' ridicules concerns --WND Democrat's eligibility 'facts' knocked down 'If a guy ain't natural born, he can't be president' --WND Electors challenged to investigate birth dispute 'Only reasonable explanation' is he wasn't born in the U.S. --WND Supremes turn down request to stop Electoral vote But Friday, high court will consider another case in flood of eligibility challenges --WND Keyes' lawyers invite public to 'join the fight' High-profile eligibility lawsuit may succeed where others have failed --WND Eligibility question? FedEx Electoral College members WND follows up Supreme Court letter campaign with historic 1st --WND Join exploding demand for citizenship documentation 230,000 already have signed petition --WND Eligibility dispute, Part 2, scheduled by Supremes Court rejects claim challenging candidacy, schedules another for Friday conference --WND Supreme Court denies 1st eligibility challenge Justices won’t give questions about qualifications full hearing --WND Demonstrators protesting Obama's eligibility and praying before the U.S. Supreme Court Will Supremes review citizenship arguments? Lawsuit: Even with a valid birth certificate, 'he still wouldn't be eligible to be president' --WND Eligibility dispute story spreads Now National Press Club event scheduled on challenge to Oval Office occupant --WND More than 60,000 letters sent to U.S. Supreme Court WND readers deliver urgent requests to review Obama citizenship --WND 'Natural-born' requirement called 'stupidest provision' Also 'discriminates, outdated, undemocratic and assumes birthplace a proxy for loyalty' --WND Pravda raises Obama eligibility issue Other media outlets begin reporting concerns over president-elect's citizenship status --WND Document posted on Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" website. Hawaii hospitals: Obama not born here Blog claims calls, visits to medical facilities reveal no birthplace of president-elect --WND Electoral College scam: Where dead people vote Lawyer challenging eligibility seeks investigation of process --WND Democrat asks Supreme Court to halt electors Obama lets deadline slip by without responding to petition, so attorney takes next step --WND Print, TV ads demand citizenship proof from Obama Concerned Americans look to media to compel president-elect to release documents |
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02-13-2010, 11:34 AM
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Imaging guru: 'Certification' of birth time, location is fake
'It would be hard to perform as president from behind jail cell door at Leavenworth' --WND Obama, DNC elude citizenship lawsuit deadline Solicitor general's office dodges questions about birth certificate complaint --WND FedEx the Supremes about Obama's eligibility WND makes it easy, cheaper to ask justices to resolve questions --WND Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens Opinions include, 'Constitution means what we say' --WND Ambassador Peter Ogego Embassy: Obama not born in Kenya Office claims ambassador was speaking about president-elect's father in radio interview --WND Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time Lawyer lining up plaintiff groups until citizenship dispute addressed --WND Proofin' the prez: Who's in charge? Constitutional lawyer says electors have duty to investigate citizenship --WND Prez passes on Obama's eligibility 'I don't think I have anything to say on that,' says spokesman --WND 100,000 petitioners: If you're eligible, show us the proof! Throngs sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy --WND Shades of Florida in 2000! Could Supremes decide '08? 'Justices free to make their own determination regarding the specifics of the general election' --WND Petition to see the birth certificate Join WND to help answer eligibility question --WND Is he or isn't he? The debate over Obama's eligibility New feature focuses on birth certificate, the U.S. Constitution and doubts --WND Supremes to review citizenship arguments Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices --WND We're in 'good shape' over Obama's birthplace Presidential spokeswoman suggests there's no controversy --WND Supremes to review citizenship arguments Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices --WND Alan Keyes Alan Keyes 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office --WND Obama camp: Lawsuits by citizens are 'garbage' Legal challenges spring up across U.S., demand proof of eligibility for office --WND Will Supreme Court have say in presidency? Schedule includes campaign response to questions on Obama birthplace --WND Doubts persist about Obama birth certificate Considerable evidence still points to candidate's birth in Kenya --WND Supremes asked to halt Tuesday's vote Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications' --WND Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document --WND Judge dismisses Obama birth certificate lawsuit Rules voters don't have standing to 'police' constitutional requirements for president --WND Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth 'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months' --WND Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth? Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate --WND DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate Democrat suing his own party says it's 'like they're in cahoots' --WND Philip J. Berg, one of the first to take Obama eligibility question to court Democrat sues Sen. Obama over 'fraudulent candidacy' Lawsuit disputing U.S. citizenship based in part on discredited claims --WND 2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship --WND Obama birth certificate: Real or phony baloney? Authenticity of crucial document staked on Daily Kos-derived image --WND Blogger reveals Obama birth certificate 'All information is what we have been told before' --WND Is Obama's candidacy constitutional? Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited --WND |
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02-21-2010, 02:35 PM
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The only way to prove that is to show an Official State of Hawaii Birth Certificate. So far, he has not produced one. The only thing they have is a Certificate of Live Birth, which under state law, is NOT an official Birth Certificate. It is basically just a certificate to show the child was born alive and not dead. This certificate can not be used as documentation for a U.S. Passport application. So without that type of documentation, it would lead to other documents being produced that would lead to the original document, whatever that document may be. Yes, he has a passport but what does it say on it? Yes, he went to an American university, but what is on the application and financial paperwork. Without any U.S. documentation produced, how does one jump to the conclusion you jump too? He ran for president because some Democrats sent in a 2nd certified copy of a certificate saying he could run for president. That was the only thing that would have held him back. Of course, Nancy Pelosi would never lie about a thing like that, now, would she? |
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02-22-2010, 10:27 PM
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Why? I didn't say he was. In fact, I haven't represented anything about Obama, other than I can't keep track of all the theories/positions you birther types have been espousing here in support of your proposition. Before CF climbed into the SOS campus clocktower and started spraying this thread with pump-action posts by the dozens (at which point I changed channels), from what I could gather, there were three essential points being made: 1. Obama was born outside the United States and is therefore ineligible to be President. 2. Obama never attended Columbia. 3. Whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii is irrelevant, because his father wasn't a U.S. citizen and, therefore, he shouldn't hold the presidency. To a man, you Birther-ites agree that the former Senator from Illinois has no legal business occupying the White House. However, the assertions you folks roll out in support of your position are so varied, often times conflicting, and mostly requiring extensive conspiracies involving parties with wildly disparate interests to be accurate, that they strain the limits of credibility. Guys, you can't even agree on what the story is. So let me ask you, who really killed JFK? Was it the Cubans, the mob associates of Onassis or the CIA? |
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02-23-2010, 08:47 AM
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This is just like the weird JFK conspiracies theories and the other weird conspiracie theories surrounding the WTC terrorist attack. They exist to deflect from what is clearly apparent and beyond debate.
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02-23-2010, 07:56 PM
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You're right, insofar as your statement that Obama's father is not a U.S. citizen is concerned, that is. No one (to my knowledge) has ever claimed he was. That part is not your problem. What is your problem is federal law. You don't seem to understand it. I'll give you a reprint of much of what I posted last time you made this assertion (a post, I might add, to which you didn't respond): That assertion is flat out wrong. You have misstated federal law pertaining to birthright citizenship ... Not only is what you have stated inaccurate, it would be inaccurate if the law was modified in the fashion many border security activists would like to see undertaken. Currently, a child is legally a U.S. citizen if he is born on U.S. soil, regardless of his parents' unlawful residency status. Many individuals feel this is the result of a perversion/misinterpretation of the Civil War Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They opine that a person should not receive legal residency if born in our country, if one or more parents is an illegal alien. Even under this formula, Barack Obama would be a citizen. So I'll ask you again, Twoller. How does Obama's father's citizenship status prevent our current president from holding office? |
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02-23-2010, 09:11 PM
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For anyone who actually cares about their own US citizenship and the citizens of any country where such a thing is respected, there simply is no other conclusion.
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02-24-2010, 11:02 PM
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Well, the Supreme Court has reached another conclusion but ... You're giving me a non-responsive answer. I understand what you're saying. You believe where Obama was born is irrelevant for the purposes of his citizenship status. What I don't understand is how you feel Obama's father's lack of U.S. citizenship impacts his right to be President. Let me narrow it down for you: 1) What do you believe is required for a person to be born a U.S. citizen? 2) Is there anything besides citizenship, based upon your understanding of the Constitution, required to hold the presidency? Last edited by DerailAmnesty.com; 02-24-2010 at 11:04 PM. |
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02-24-2010, 11:45 AM
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Tuesday, September 8, 2009 The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth When interpreting the Constitution, we must decide whether we will look to the document as an original and static one whose meaning has already been established at a given time by the People and its Framers or one that is living and which can be changed over any given time by a court of law. See the address of Justice Antonin Scalia to the 2008 Annual National Lawyers Convention on November 22, 2008, at the Mayflower Hotel, in Washington, D.C. http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/...pub_detail.asp. (advocates originalism rather than living constitutionalism). I submit that Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause has a fixed and knowable meaning which was established at the time of its drafting and should therefore be interpreted through the eyes of the original Framers that drafted and ratified the clause so as to determine what they intended the clause to mean (original intent theory). I also submit that we should interpret the “natural born Citizen” clause in a way that reasonable persons living at the time of its adoption would have declared the ordinary meaning of the text to be (original meaning theory). This is not living constitutionalism but rather originalism or textualism as applied to interpreting the Constitution. It is this latter approach that I will utilize in this article. E. Vattel stated in 1758, as translated into English in 1797: "The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country." E. Vattel, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Sec. 212 Citizens and natives. In Footnote 1 at the end of Sec. 212, Vattel stated that “as a general rule” the child inherits his father’s citizenship, or his mother’s but only if she is not married. The first thing that we have to understand about what Vattel wrote is that he made a distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen.” A citizen is simply a member of the civil society who is bound to the society by certain duties and subject to its authority. “Citizens” also participate equally in all the advantages the society has to offer. On the other hand, a “natural born Citizen” means much more than just “citizen.” Vattel required that for a child to be a “natural born citizen,” or what he called in French in his 1758 first edition of The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, les naturels, ou indigenes (the “natives or indigines”-The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253 (1814)), the child must be born in the country to both parents who are also citizens of the same country. In the original French, Vattel wrote: "Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays de parents citoyens,” meaning the "natives or indigines" are those born in the country of citizen parents. Both the Framers and later English translators of Vattel's treatise replaced the words"natural born Citizen" for the words "natives or indigenes." From Madison's notes, we see that there were some delegates who were concerned about foreigners. For example, from Max Farrand's transcripts of Madison's notes (August 9 and August 13, 1787), there is the following concerning the House of Representatives eligibility requirements: "Mr. Gerry wished that in future the eligibility might be confined to Natives." The word "native" occurs multiple times in the notes for these two days. (The phrase "natural born citizen" was not used here by the delegates.). The word "native" was a synonym for the phrase "natural born citizen." The delegates had already used the term “natural born citizen” when proposing the requirements for President, Vice President, and either House of Congress and later used the word “natives” when referring to eligibility requirements for the House of Representative. There is further evidence of this in at least three works: Blackstone's "Commentaries on the Laws of England" (see Book the First: The Rights of Persons; Chapter the Tenth: Of People, Whether Aliens, Denizens or Natives.), translations of Quintilian's "Institutio Oratoria", and the 1797 English edition of Vattel's "The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law." In the beginning of his definition, Vattel required that the children be born of “parents” who are citizens. The use of the word “parents” refers to both mother and father. If he required only one parent such as the father, he would have said “of fathers who are citizens” and not “of parents who are citizens.” He did later refer to “fathers,” but only because wives automatically acquired the citizenship of their husbands the same way children did. This rule was carried into our own naturalization laws, wherein citizenship can be derived from a close relation. Historically, a number of U.S. laws have provided for the automatic naturalization of children or wives (not husbands) of naturalized U.S. citizens. In some periods of our history, these laws provided that married women derived citizenship from their husband and had no control over their status. Under the Act of 10 February 1855, a woman automatically became an American upon marrying a U.S. citizen or following the naturalization of her foreign husband. Kelly v. Owen, 74 U.S. 7 Wall. 496 (1868). The 1922 Married Women's Act (or the Cable Act) finally severed the link between naturalization and marital status for most women. Hence, if Vattel meant to focus only on “fathers,” he would have used “fathers” throughout his definition and never mentioned “parents” when he first defined “natural born Citizen,” for there would not have been any need to use the word “parents” when “fathers” would have sufficed. Hence, Vattel would have focused on the citizenship of the father since that citizenship would determine that of both the mother and child. It is also noteworthy that Vattel had no problem allowing the child to inherit the citizenship of the mother when the mother was not married to the child’s father. Given that Vattel in effect really focused on the citizenship of both the child’s father and mother in defining a “natural born Citizen,” Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” does not violate the equal protection guarantee embedded in the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause. Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998); Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001). There is other evidence in his treatise that shows that Vattel meant to refer to both the child’s mother and father in his definition of a “natural born citizen.” When defining what a country is in Section 122, he stated the “term signifies the state, or even more particularly the town or place, where our parents had their fixed residence at the moment of our birth…. A man ought to preserve gratitude and affection for the state to which he is indebted for his education, and of which his parents were members when they gave him birth….” In commenting on the citizenship status of children born at sea at Section 216, he stated that a child born abroad a foreign vessel that is docked in a port belonging to their own nation is reputed born in the country, provided “she [the mother] and her husband have not quitted their native country to settle elsewhere.” In commenting upon vagrants in Section 219he stated: “Vagrants are people who have no settlement. Consequently those born of vagrant parents have no country, since a man’s country is the place where, at the time of his birth, his parents had their settlement (Section 122), or it is the state of which his father was then a member…” Given that Vattel in effect really focused on the citizenship of both the child’s father and mother in defining a “natural born Citizen,” Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” does not violate the equal protection guarantee embedded in the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause. Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998); Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001). The Framers were very familiar with William Blackstone. We can also see in the writings of Blackstone that the allegiance of both parents to the King was needed to avoid dual allegiance in the child. Blackstone wrote: |
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