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Originally Posted by Greg in LA
Ayatollah and Ilbegone, Those are great question about whether our Senate and Congressional members that identify themselves as Jews are religiously observant Jews or are non observant. I do not know the answear to that question.
You should also remember that Judiasm is not just a religion, More importantly Jews consider themselves to also be a nationality, or even a race of people. Whether a Jew is a devout beliver in Judiasm or an Athiest they are still Jews, and members of the Jewish tribe or nation.
The Jewish nationality is also transnational. Whether a Jew is a national of the United States, Russia, Israel, Great Britian, or Argentina it doesn't matter in regards to their identity, they are still members of the Jewish nation.
Jews are not just a religion they are also a race of people.
Chritianity on the other hand is a religion only. Most Mexicans, Greeks, Canadians, Lebanese, and Phillipinos are Christians, but they do not consider themselve part of the same nation or tribe.
This is why Jews in all nations have dual loyalties to the country that they live in and to their own people the Jews.
For example: Rahm Emanuel is a Jew. he was a former Clinton aid, Chicago Congressmen, chief of staff to Barack Obama and is now the new mayor of Chicago. Rahm Emanuel is also an American citizen. In 1991 Rahm Emanuel moved to Israel to join the the Israeli army, Even though he is American. (and in high levels in politics).
One might ask how can Rahm Emanuel as an American citizen just go and join a foreign country's army and then just come back and join American political life? Isn't that a conflict of interest?
Yes it is a conflict of interest, but it is a great example of how Jews have dual loyalties to their people the Jews and to the Country that they live in.
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People like Emanuel are not the rule; they are the exception. I don't doubt that many jews would claim israel as their own, but you have to remember that that's also the sacred ground of their religion. I'll give you that many jews might even have a loyalty to israel to a degree, mainly because they went without a country for quite some time, and that might drive anyone to think they might not have a country in the US if push came to shove. There's a lot of animosity towards jews in the US even today, and with that as your constant companion, I could see why someone might keep a second home so-to-speak. In any case, that doesn't necessarily mean that they all want to dominate the world, or break down US borders.
As far as jews being a race, I say poppycock. Jewish is a religion, israel is a nation, and race is fairly mixed within the jewish faithful. Jews may consider themselves a nationality because they once again did not have country that wanted to claim them for a long time. Remember that those landing at plymouth rock were also fleeing religious persecution
Our philosophy here is that religion is a preference we don't deny. One thing that all of us share here, regardless of race or creed, is that we all feel strongly about fighting corruption, keeping our nation protected the way it was chartered, and retaining a sense of cultural flavor that identifies with our history, but allowing for a slight influence from immigration and general philosophical growth. It's hard to find people who will oppose power mongers who would cheat, manipulate, and lie their way into control, if not outright force the issue. If we start limiting our choices of comrades...if you will, by excluding jews or whatever other religion, we're going to have a longer and more costly battle in terms of our own betheren. If we actually send out vibes that we don't trust all jews, not only will they not help us, but they may join the other side out of fear or necessity. We believe that there are jews that love America, and will defend it. I personally feel that the odds are quite well against the concept that all jews are more loyal to israel than any other nation, or that all of them have it in for a sovereign America