There isn't any benefit in trying to reason. They are too zonked out, dumb, dishonest.
It's called moral turpitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude
We have here in New York Guatemalans living in camps in the woods, scrounging, stealing, shop lifting, killing and roasting game, drinking, fighting ---------- Some who were apprehended were found to be illiterate and couldn't count numbers. So, their mental capacity doesn't provide for any kind of comprehension of civilized rules of society.
The primates, mammals, birds all criss cross territorial and political boundaries with no comprehension of where they are.
The primitive native Americans Amer-Indians raided into each other's home territories, taking prisoners, slaves, women, plundering with no written laws. It was by power of force. So these California sign carriers are living philosophically back in the stone age.