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Old 12-05-2009, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Twoller View Post
I'm sorry, but no matter how useless a people are to themselves or anyone else, being subject to an empire has never been a solution. If you can't understand that part of the promise of our United States as a beacon of hope to anyone, even ourselves, is as a confrontation against empires, then you are unfit to be United States citizen.

Any time our government becomes the open and willing executor of an empire, then that government is capable of treating us, US citizens, as the subjects of an empire. What kind of fool would turn over their system of government to an empire.

What happens to our borders when the US becomes an empire? Look at Great Britain and the commonwealth. It's immigration problems are the consequence of the collapse of Imperial England. That collapse saw its first tremors in our own American Revolution that saw the birth of our own country.

Look at India. It has been the unwilling subject of an Islamic empire and an English empire. Under Ghandi and others, they finally took back most of their own country. They are still coping with the refuse that these empires left behind, although England left the most gracefully. Look at what Vietnam had to go through. Both the French and Catholics in the US said that Vietnam was incapable of governing itself. If they had been left to govern themselves, Vietnam would never have gone communist. But to the Vietnamese, communism was perferable to imperialism.

They were right. Even communism is better than imperialism, especially the filthy and degenerate hand of imperialism that touched Vietnam.

Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to revoke my citizenship b/c my position remains unchanged. Most of your observations are simply at odds with reality.

Firstly, the answer to your initial question in the third paragraph is that when the United States extends into what is now Mexico, the desire or need to cross what was the border by hordes of uneducated laborers largely disappears b/c some manner of opportunity exists in their place of birth.

Secondly, insofar as turning over my form of government to an empire, I have no intention of doing so. It is my position that we impose our leadership and control on them ... or perhaps you're under the impression that we'll see an end to Palestinian school children being indoctrinated into suicide terrorist attacks, or witness the enormous growth of a Mexican middle class, sometime during our lives if we don't? Standing around waiting for others to comport themselves to what we consider minimal standards of Western decency? How's it working out for you so far?

Thirdly, you're right. I invite you to look at India and Vietnam. Visit those locations and then come back and tell me with a straight face their populations are better off in the absence of the British and the French. You can add a good chunk of Africa to that list, too.

Earlier you mentioned something about Puerto Rico. Is that intended seriously? Remove the United States from that territory's equation and it is essentially the equivalent of the Dominican Republic or Haiti.

America is good for people everywhere it touches down. Iraq, Japan, Guam, etc., and the idea that large populations in impoverished or corrupt countries are not better off with American values and leadership is tomfoolery.

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