[Don]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Yeah, you took quite a leap from what I said. I certainly didn't imply that black people were inferior. Neither did I say they shouldn't be held to account individually. I actually denounced that practice, if you'll open your eyes and actually see what I wrote as opposed to what you want to see there. As individuals, everyone should be accountable. It makes no sense to excuse anyone for an infraction or crime based upon their race. However, culturally speaking, helping black families regain their footing....somehow...after being exposed to centuries of slavery and prejudice..., is not a morally repugnant effort. In slavery, families were split apart, kids raised without benefit of an independence rich culture, inherent human values, and criminal or civil justice. They were owned...property. Did you expect kids raised like that over the course of centuries to somehow suddenly and magically cast off their past upbringing, be cast into a society they had previously only witnessed as spectators, and acquire all the social skills, family values, and adherence to ethics, and become an equal to those who had centuries of family roots, education, religious practice, and community support?

My mindset is that it is OK to pour some effort and money into black communities with very specific and limited goals to help improve their family and community ties. That's it though. restore their footing culturally.

Don, I understand how you feel, and while not every feeling you express here is entirely unfounded, I do think you have a lack of ability to absorb the misfortune of others based upon your disdain or fear of their race. I agree that current race based admissions policies are far too generous to selected races. Also agree that there's a concerted effort to villainize white people by many organizations and government officials. Where we part on our beliefs is that I don't think we should let our government get away with swinging the pendulum to suit the needs or desires of those in power. You, on the other hand, want to hold the entire race accountable as the instigator. I don't believe a black person is inferior to a white person, genetically or otherwise.

"Did you expect kids raised like that over the course of centuries to somehow suddenly and magically cast off their past upbringing, be cast into a society they had previously only witnessed as spectators, and acquire all the social skills, family values, and adherence to ethics, and become an equal to those who had centuries of family roots, education, religious practice, and community support?"

How pathetic!

Nobody is "raised over the course of centuries..." Nobody is that old. Nobody. This is nonsense. There is no such thing as the kind of genetic imprinting that you suggest. There is no evidence to support it.

From the colonial period onward, thousands of slaves were emancipated and lived productive useful lives and comported to the norms of civilized behavior. Many emancipated slaves in the south actually became slave owners in their own right. Slavery was first abolished in Vermont (before it became a state) and then in Massasschusetts. In the early 1800's, New York state had a large slave population that was gradually emancipated and those people adjusted to the challenges of freedom just fine. Likewise emancipated slaves in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticutt, and other Northern states made the transition, smoothly and seemlessly, to freedom. They married produced families, worked, started businesses, and voted, etc.

The blacks in the south were slaves only for an additional half century longer than the slaves in New England and New York. Funny how emancipated slaves, who actually experienced slavery, whether in the Northern or Southern states, adjusted just fine to freedom and were able to comply with the norms of civilized behavior.

Question: How did newly emancipated slaves make the transition to freedom without suffering from the "legacy of slavery."

Answer: They never heard of "Black Studies."


In the 1920's the Communist Party USA made a big pitch to "oppressed blacks and it fell flat. The CPUSA bemoaned the prosperity of American blacks and the influence of the black church as reasons for black indifference to communism. They were doing too well to sign on to a "share the wealth" agenda.

In the 1920's, a black leader named Marcus Garvey was elected by a convention of 25,000 blacks as their leader. Yes...the only black "leader" in history who was actually elected as such by black people! He proposed an ambitious program of black business creation, black education and, among other things, black colonization of and nation building in Africa. He promulgated the Negro Bill of Rights among other things.

Garvey was railroaded, convicted on phoney criminal charges (mail fraud), and deported from the US at the instigation of a politically powerful racist organization....the NAACP! The KKK actually raised money to finance Garvey's appeal, but without success. Garvey was destroyed by the politically powerful NAACP because Garvey's bold vision of economic development threatened the NAACP's "vision" of parasitism and dependency.

Only after the recent introduction of the welfare state and "Black Studies" and financial incentives based on such bogus nonsense as the theory of "Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome" have blacks been disabled by the "legacy of slavery." Modern Black dysfunctionalism is not a product of centuries of slavery. It is a product of ethnic scammers, frauds, and pseudo intellectual drivel that has no basis in fact, science or genetics.

In summary: There is no scientific or factual basis for your theory of black genetic impairment because of slavery.