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Originally Posted by LAPhil
Well I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I don't see any connection between allowing foreigners to serve on a jury and getting the right to vote without becoming citizens first. And why do you assume that just because they're not citizens they have no loyalty to this country? Many of them may be in the process of becoming citizens, as the process takes time. Being a juror is simply a matter of deciding guilt or innocence in a criminal matter or liability in a civil matter, and being a non-citizen is not de facto an obstacle to that. As I said earlier, the attorneys can dismiss anyone for cause, and if they feel that a particular person is not qualified they will not hesitate to dismiss that person.
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We very much disagree and I respect your right to disagree with my view.
America is the land of a free ride (or relatively so) for many foreigners who come here. Taking the ride doesn't necessarily indicate any sort of affection for the host. The Boston bombing is clear enough proof of that, and going through the motions of getting citizenship doesn't mean anything is either learned or appreciated. Citizenship sells cheap in this country.
The tendency among Mexican nationals and middle easterners is to merely be residents in America while holding a general disdain for America and Americans. Green cards and citizenship doesn't change that mindset, although there are a couple of them I know who hate Mexico for reasons both expressed and not stated.
Maybe all that is irrelevant.
Jury duty is thankless, from waiting to be called or dismissed all friggin' day in an overheated, 98% humidity room containing three times as many people gasping for air it was designed for to the fact that it takes a chunk out of your income whether or not you are chosen. I have served on juries, and I know for a fact that the screening doesn't weed out all the naive (either way) and those with their mind made up before trial begins. I'm dismissed anymore because I speak the truth based upon my experiences.
However to give jury duty to foreigners is like giving away distasteful parts of your work when times are good - when work slows down that distasteful work never comes back because the people who filled the slot work cheaper and are willing to take a lot more shit than you are and you are no longer in the market and you no longer have an income.
And it all comes back to
SOVEREIGNTY
You don't give away parts of your house to strangers, you might eventually find yourself on the street.
I've already explained the jury box to ballot box dominoes, but here it is again:
Every possible straw is being grasped to give illegals voting privilege through progressive legitimization. It's going on now with school board elections and other very local matters where it becomes both a chip in the system and a precedence - a future justification for more and bigger chips to be taken.
That's the attempt with driver's licenses for illegals regardless of all the false rhetoric about public safety, it's a step towards legitimization.
Give green card holders the jury box when the jury pool is selected from the voter registration list, the demand will be to change the law to allow green card holders to vote... and the justification offered for giving green cards the jury box is the falsehood that the jury pool isn't large enough.
With green card voting accomplished we have a nation without borders and the rationalization will be that it's discriminatory to exclude illegal alien squatters from the ballot box...
You don't have to believe me, just study Jose Angel Gutierrez and how his failed La Raza Unida party became the very model for government takeover one chip at a time and hanging on to it. It's gone on for 40 plus years, and it's working.