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Old 10-06-2013, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ilbegone View Post
Respectfully, what are you willing to do besides complain?

Being right is not enough to win. Success is dependent on the number and effectiveness of activists regardless of who's right or wrong, and a single issue platform loses steam after a while. Lack of money to operate on doesn't help while an organizer becoming used to living on a cause turns the cause into supporting the organizer. There needs to be a source of operational funds while the organizer avoids become an embezzler.

In the meantime, the word "patriot" has been prostituted so much much by power trippers and nut balls it's almost a pejorative, I've gotten to where I despise the word because of the way it's been misused.

Davi works tirelessly, doesn't give up against great odds and is very inclusive. Those on the other side sometimes hate one another but keep their discord between themselves and publicly work together towards a goal rather than endlessly stabbing each other in the back like so many of those right of center do. Minor disagreements become deal breakers and bridge burners center of right, and it needs to end or there will be no progress.

Correctly identify your enemies and don't give them ammunition to use against you - such as obvious propaganda, bad information, or statements which reflect a genuine obsession with race. If the illegals are an enemy, so are the American politicians, American employers, American open borders lobbyists, American churches seeking a congregation and anyone or anything else who uses them to screw you out of a job, your tax "contributions", a quality education, or anything else you want to blame on illegals.

"They" use the lower class (buying votes and warm bodies with tax base subsidies); propagandized middle class college graduates; the moneyed, Swiss bank account liberals who hypocritically dodge taxes through loopholes favoring themselves while pushing for more taxes on the middle class to fund "progressive" socialism.

All we have is a shrinking middle class to work with, many of them aren't sure which way to turn, others are just comfortable enough to wait to see whichever way the wind turns - hoping it doesn't turn on themselves.

We have to reach those people.

Davi is working extremely hard on the local level concerning illegal imigration and the ills which come with it, and there also needs to be a focus on the national level in order to help Davi prosecute the cause. The 2014 elections needs to bring a majority to congress which can over ride presidential vetoes and put an end to the current abuse of the executive order privilege and a president who will put the California legislature, Jerry Brown, and Kamala Harris in their places concerning illegal migration and other other far left crap which finds itself being voted into state law in the dead of night with no legislative debate or public transparency.

Again, and respectfully, what are you going to do to personally bring this about?

Merely complaining about illegal immigration and focusing on race as though race is an indication of illegality isn't going to do it.
Thanks for the kind words, however I'm just a small cog in a planetary transmission system. And I think my tireless efforts as you describe are more attributable to eternal stubbornness, not they are exclusive to one another. I don't think we'll ever quash the racism label, simply because we do have racism at work on all sides of the immigration debate to some degree. That shouldn't be a deterrent though. More people want immigration enforcement for other reasons than those trying to press any real racial agenda. I also don't believe anyone chiming in in this thread thus far has any racial motives

I won't and cannot assume that people are doing nothing. Because we have a stalemate in congress, it has to be due to resistance, and that's not just from the moneyed players and power brokers. So people are driving the train, but California has been on its' own separate track for some years now. It's not new; Southern states like Mississippi and Alabama tried to go their own way in the 60's, and the courts, marchers, and...well, stubbornness forced them to get with the program. California has been flexing independent muscle in entering treaties, which aren't as yet sanctioned by the feds, so it's very possible we have a day of reckoning coming. I sure hope so, but we need legal championing. That, of course, takes bigger bucks than we even hope to have. And I don't mean just SOS.

We're going to keep probing, testing, and voicing until we find things that work, and for now we'll just have to keep doing it for nothing

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