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Originally Posted by Twoller

No, that's ridiculous. In Zimbabwe and South Africa and the rest of Africa too, even the Muslim colonized territories, Africans are the natives and have always outnumbered the colonists. Always. The historic, cultural, economic and political momentum has always been and will forever be in their hands. Their relatively recent struggles with colonizers and their real imperialist sponsors (with the exception of the Dutch South Africans) are of no long term consequence, but only if they can seize the initiative outside of colonial influence.

As I understand it, the white owned farms in Zimbabwe and other African countries were broken up and given to people who had no idea how to manage them, thus constituting a great leap backwards in respect to national nutrition.

Same thing happened in Mexico after the revolution. Many of the haciendas exchanged hands from criollo landowners to mestizo generals and the disaster was furthered along by politically popular "land redistribution" in favor of relatively unproductive subsistence hand farming.

Illegal immigrants, no matter how they dominate demographically in the United States will ever have any kind of real meaning here, except as they are licensed to have by power holders.

I believe you may be underestimating what has already occurred.