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Don 02-21-2010 07:30 PM

500 Support KKK Anti-Immigrant Rally in GA
 
Talk about letting it all hang out! 48 KKK members in robes had an anti-latino anti-immigrant rally and drew 500 cheering supporters in a GA town and only a handful of "activists" in opposition. Maybe the tide IS turning.


http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...lly_in_nahunta

Ole Glory 02-21-2010 07:53 PM

"Viola Lewis of Hazlehurst described the rally as “a disgrace and shame.”

“They’re spewing hate,” she said. “Everybody here is an immigrant except the Indians.”


Gee, now that's original, I never heard that before, LOL.:D

Twoller 02-21-2010 08:10 PM

The empty headed rats of the KKK aren't going to excite anybody's imagination whenever they do anything at all.

I'm kind of suprised to see somebody post this item here as if it were news.

Don 02-21-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 5804)
The empty headed rats of the KKK aren't going to excite anybody's imagination whenever they do anything at all.

I'm kind of suprised to see somebody post this item here as if it were news.

When was the last time 500 people came out to publicly support you?

Ayatollahgondola 02-21-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5802)
Talk about letting it all hang out! 48 KKK members in robes had an anti-latino anti-immigrant rally and drew 500 cheering supporters in a GA town and only a handful of "activists" in opposition. Maybe the tide IS turning.

That's not a tide Don; that's a freak wave. The KKK is not going mainstream any time soon. Because their membership is so restrictive, they can't possibly attract the numbers needed to become a tide. Because their agenda is so obnoxious, I don't see them attracting a huge numbers of supporters in the larger spectrum of Americans, even when taken into consideration citizen disgust for the manner in which our government has been bending over forward and backwards for Latinos. This was in one small pocket of the country, and happily I don't reside there. sounds like a place that wouldn't care too much for my family, and I'd be fighting alongside people that would turn on me shortly after all the invading latinos were dispatched.

DerailAmnesty.com 02-21-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5802)
Talk about letting it all hang out! 48 KKK members in robes had an anti-latino anti-immigrant rally and drew 500 cheering supporters in a GA town and only a handful of "activists" in opposition. Maybe the tide IS turning.


http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...lly_in_nahunta


Yes, the Klan: The ignorant white person's version of Mexica-Movement.


That kind of tide, I'll gladly sit out with my board on the beach. You want accusations of anti-immigrant, redneck, hater, xenophobe and racist to be accurate? Hang out with that crowd.

Ayatollahgondola 02-21-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5805)
When was the last time 500 people came out to publicly support you?

I refuse to wear hooded pajamas outdoors just to gain some traction in numerical terms. You gotta give that one up; without those flambouyant costumes, the numbers would be considerably less.

usa today 02-22-2010 04:46 AM

Yet keep in mind that at one time Hitlers movement was a bar room debating society.

Conditions , Lack of response by our officials, politicians ignoring the problem all of this is going to contribute to history repeating itself.

I said years ago right on this site that (or the old site) that this invasion of our country and other problems would lead to a large increase in membership in groups like the klan or the nazis, When people look to their leaders to solve problems and they are ignored , they look elsewhere.

Know your enemies , A lot of us have researched the illegal enabler movements like mexica , la raza etc. But on the other spectrum , go read the platforms of the official kkk and nazi parties.

A couple years ago a klan or nazi rally would have drawn only hundreds of protesters against them,
It appears that is now changing

One should not condone hate , But is wanting the laws of this country enforced hate? The kkk just says it in non-pc terms , they squarely state the root of the problem.

In this case also the enemies of my enemies ARE NOT MY FRIENDS,
The klan carries FAR TO MUCH BAGGAGE to be a tool in our fight against illegal immigration.

You can agree with their message , but not with their cause.

Twoller 02-22-2010 07:17 AM

When Hitler attended his first National Socialist meeting, he was an illegal immigrant from Austria sent to the meeting by the Wehrmacht to spy on it.

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5805)
When was the last time 500 people came out to publicly support you?

So are you saying that just because they have numbers that we should become like them? [Insert sarcasm]Then again I find it surprising that you would have sympathy for the klan.[End sarcasm]

usa today 02-22-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PochoPatriot (Post 5816)
So are you saying that just because they have numbers that we should become like them? [Insert sarcasm]Then again I find it surprising that you would have sympathy for the klan.[End sarcasm]

Just a blunt question

If they WERE NOT THE KLAN , would you support their message?

But bottom line they are the same as la raza and all the rest of the ethnic hustlers

But heres your chance to buy a vowel

If its ok for every other ethnicity to advocate for separatism (black this ,black that , hispanic this , hispanic that)
How can it be racist for whites to do so also?

According to all estimates in about 40 years or less whites will be the minority in this country , Then its payback time baby, let the new majorities foot the bills for the NEW minority for a while , see how they like it.

admin 02-22-2010 08:16 AM

I don't think Pocho is advocating for la Raza, nor dismissing their role in secularizing America.
Generally, we have to tell the KKK the very same thing we tell La Raza in regards to their agenda, or the way they approach immigration issues.

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5817)
Just a blunt question

If they WERE NOT THE KLAN , would you support their message?

But bottom line they are the same as la raza and all the rest of the ethnic hustlers

But heres your chance to buy a vowel

If its ok for every other ethnicity to advocate for separatism (black this ,black that , hispanic this , hispanic that)
How can it be racist for whites to do so also?

According to all estimates in about 40 years or less whites will be the minority in this country , Then its payback time baby, let the new majorities foot the bills for the NEW minority for a while , see how they like it.

The utter stupidity of this question really doesn't deserve an answer, but for the sake of clarity let me reiterate what I have always believed and espoused on every board I have been on.

I am against any sort of ethnocentric/racial movement be it white, brown, black, Asian or native American.


I believe that I can't be anymore clearer than that.

As far as pay back? You have a poor understanding of American and European history. White Europeans have dominated world history for a relatively brief period, and geopolitics are shifting away from that domination. This is not wishful think, but a fact that anyone with half a brain should understand.

However, my opposition to the klan and the rest of those inbred rednecks is simple, I would not be welcome in their kommunity because I am of mixed ethnicity (Anglo/Welsh & Mexican). Even though we may agree on the ills of illegal immigration, I would never accept their presence at any rally I was a part of. It would be just too offensive.

Lastly, if you want to become like they (the race baiters) are then go right ahead, you are now no better than they, in my mind.

Edited to add: If you think I am some sort of La Raza/Mexica plant then you are sadly mistaken. In fact, you would be as mistaken as she who will not be named, who thinks the same and gladly slandered me over it in public.

usa today 02-22-2010 10:15 AM

I never in a million years considered you raza or mexica

Its simple debate

Yes , the world is moving away from Eurocentric domination , But in the end is that good thing?

Its weird and it probably sounds racist or ............. but its not

The world has achieved its greatest advancements dominated by Eurocentric peoples , Geeez that sounds racist but prove me different?

Speaking for America also , this country has achieved greatness through immigrants , Tesla, Einstein , Von Braun and many others.

No matter what , the klan and nazis will remain fringe "out there" groups , But la raza has a huge following that is intent on making this a 3rd world hispanic nation.

"I would not be welcome in their kommunity"

Me either , I would have a direct urge to puke all over them

Don 02-22-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PochoPatriot (Post 5819)
The utter stupidity of this question really doesn't deserve an answer, but for the sake of clarity let me reiterate what I have always believed and espoused on every board I have been on.

I am against any sort of ethnocentric/racial movement be it white, brown, black, Asian or native American.


I believe that I can't be anymore clearer than that.

As far as pay back? You have a poor understanding of American and European history. White Europeans have dominated world history for a relatively brief period, and geopolitics are shifting away from that domination. This is not wishful think, but a fact that anyone with half a brain should understand.

However, my opposition to the klan and the rest of those inbred rednecks is simple, I would not be welcome in their kommunity because I am of mixed ethnicity (Anglo/Welsh & Mexican). Even though we may agree on the ills of illegal immigration, I would never accept their presence at any rally I was a part of. It would be just too offensive.

Lastly, if you want to become like they (the race baiters) are then go right ahead, you are now no better than they, in my mind.

Edited to add: If you think I am some sort of La Raza/Mexica plant then you are sadly mistaken. In fact, you would be as mistaken as she who will not be named, who thinks the same and gladly slandered me over it in public.

Then what are you doing here? You can smear white people and make racial slurs because it's permitted to do so, in the prevailing atmosphere of anti-white bigotry. Self hating, cowardly whites are the first to jump on the bandwagon to prove they're not "racist."

Obviously the KKK will not gain traction here in Northern Mexico (i.e. Southern California), but it is a real shocker that open klan members can attract 500 supporters anywhere, given the bigotry and oppression against white people and any organization that stands up for the rights of white people. This level of support for the KKK shows a level of awareness and alarm about the Mexican invasion that is very encouraging.

Your hatred of whites is very interesting. In our modern American racial Caste System, it's a common thing for "minorities" to openly express hatred of whites, even as third world non-whites run to get into this historically white country for the "better life" they have never been able to create in their own lands. How interesting that you feel so comfortable and secure in being able to publish ethnic slurs against whites that you would never be permitted to make against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics or others. You would be banned from this site for insulting any race except white people. Whites are the only race that is not protected from "hate speech."

I have a dream. I have a dream that one day white people will be equal to and entitled to the same respect as other races and it will not longer be open season to insult white people.

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5823)
I never in a million years considered you raza or mexica

Its simple debate

Yes , the world is moving away from Eurocentric domination , But in the end is that good thing?

Its weird and it probably sounds racist or ............. but its not

I don't know if it's a good thing or not, but it is a fact, and white Europeans need to deal with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5823)
The world has achieved its greatest advancements dominated by Eurocentric peoples , Geeez that sounds racist but prove me different?

And at what expense to non-whites in the world?

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5823)
Speaking for America also , this country has achieved greatness through immigrants , Tesla, Einstein , Von Braun and many others.

Funny, weren't those three immigrants?

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5823)
No matter what , the klan and nazis will remain fringe "out there" groups , But la raza has a huge following that is intent on making this a 3rd world hispanic nation.

La Raza is considered main stream because of political correctness. This is what happens when you let the pigs run the farm.

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5823)
"I would not be welcome in their kommunity"

Me either , I would have a direct urge to puke all over them

Mine would not be puke.

Twoller 02-22-2010 12:49 PM

History and human progress are two different things. History is the record of human progress and since so many peoples in the world are pre-literate cultures, they have no history aside from whatever they can collect orally and hand down that way. Oral history is notoriously unreliable.

The dominance of European culture in the world is something that could never be anticipated in history up until then. The rise of European dominance is itself a history of pre-literate peoples rising to assume technological advances unimaginable by any human history anwhere.

But these advances are explosive and not sustainable as a picture of dominance. In the larger picture, the period of European dominance, or indeed any cultural dominance, is likely to be of limited significance to people everywhere. It is only a question of time before literacy and the technological advances provided by literacy become universal to human existence.

The rise of populations from poor, so called "third world" countries has nothing to do with this inevitable human progress. Mexico, for example, is a literate culture and their rise in the United States has nothing to do with some kind of looming dominance. China also, is a literate culture that predates Europe's own literacy. It's advances are more significant, except where it is characterized by population growth and dominance, in the US, for example.

The current global population explosion that seems to characterize shifts in political demography are evidence of a diseased state. People who advance the notion that changes in demography due to population growth are evidence of changes in political dominance are clearly part of old global power structures who spread disease as a weapon to extend their influence. The catholic church, for example.

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
Then what are you doing here?

I often wonder about that myself, especially after reading your ignorant and narrow-minded rantings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
You can smear white people and make racial slurs because it's permitted to do so, in the prevailing atmosphere of anti-white bigotry. Self hating, cowardly whites are the first to jump on the bandwagon to prove they're not "racist."

Please show some backing for this statement or retract it.

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
Obviously the KKK will not gain traction here in Northern Mexico (i.e. Southern California), but it is a real shocker that open klan members can attract 500 supporters anywhere, given the bigotry and oppression against white people and any organization that stands up for the rights of white people. This level of support for the KKK shows a level of awareness and alarm about the Mexican invasion that is very encouraging.

I would not consider 500 inbred rednecks showing up to a KKK rally "encouraging." "Shocking"? Yes, but not in the way you are spinning it. I am shocked that that part of the country has still not left it's shameful past. I wonder if we can expect Latinos hanging from the trees in the south?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
Your hatred of whites is very interesting. In our modern American racial Caste System, it's a common thing for "minorities" to openly express hatred of whites, even as third world non-whites run to get into this historically white country for the "better life" they have never been able to create in their own lands. How interesting that you feel so comfortable and secure in being able to publish ethnic slurs against whites that you would never be permitted to make against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics or others. You would be banned from this site for insulting any race except white people. Whites are the only race that is not protected from "hate speech."

I don't hate whites. That would mean that I hate half of my family. But that's OK. I would expect nothing less than that from a bigot like yourself. As far as calling the Klan inbred rednecks, then might I suggest you actually look at the history of that part of the country. I do speak from personal experience as my paternal grandmother is from Louisiana.

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
I have a dream. I have a dream that one day white people will be equal to and entitled to the same respect as other races and it will not longer be open season to insult white people.

I don't insult white people. I insult stupid people. Stupidity as you have clearly demonstrated, and will continue to demonstrate, knows no color or ethnic lines.

usa today 02-22-2010 01:17 PM

"I wonder if we can expect Latinos hanging from the trees in the south?"

Yes , and elsewhere also

The sad part of history and you know this as well as I do , If the people here fail to get redress for their grievances (the latino invasion) they will take the law into their own hands at one point or another.

Its not rocket science , look to kosovo and other places , when 2 cultures start to butt heads it usually gets ugly.

The BIG difference is that immigrants of the past chose to "become" part of OUR culture , The hispanic invaders are working to CHANGE our culture into theirs , that is the big difference and that is why their "immigration" is 100% different from waves of past immigrants.

At some point the jig will be up , it will get ugly for both legal and illegal hispanics , raving Americans fed up with the invasion will not stop to ask for anyones "papers" , on that day both the guilty and innocent will will take the brunt

And don't say it can't happen

Its always happened that way in the past

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5828)
"I wonder if we can expect Latinos hanging from the trees in the south?"

Yes , and elsewhere also

The sad part of history and you know this as well as I do , If the people here fail to get redress for their grievances (the latino invasion) they will take the law into their own hands at one point or another.

That's what scares when people start joining the klan. After all I look Mexican, and often wonder if I might get strung up from a tree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5828)
Its not rocket science , look to kosovo and other places , when 2 cultures start to butt heads it usually gets ugly.

I don't think you can compare Kosovo with America. The Bosnian situation was both religious (Muslim/Christian) and ethnic (Bosnian/Serbian).

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5828)
The BIG difference is that immigrants of the past chose to "become" part of OUR culture , The hispanic invaders are working to CHANGE our culture into theirs , that is the big difference and that is why their "immigration" is 100% different from waves of past immigrants.

You'll get no argument from me on this. However, I think a lot of what you are seeing is a result of the technological advances that did not allow previous immigration waves to keep in contact with the home country. This is one of the reasons why there is such a stubbornly slow transition to adopting American culture not just by Latinos, but by all modern immigrants.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5828)
At some point the jig will be up , it will get ugly for both legal and illegal hispanics , raving Americans fed up with the invasion will not stop to ask for anyones "papers" , on that day both the guilty and innocent will will take the brunt

And don't say it can't happen

Its always happened that way in the past

This is what I am trying to prevent by saying that we can't allow that sort of mentality to fester in a group. I have been on the front lines, and will be back on the front lines again once I get my economic situation back on track. We have to draw a line and say what sort of groups are appropriate associates. The inbred rednecks that make up the KKK are not appropriate now or ever.

Edited to add: Nor should we allow persons that even remotely sympathize or identify with said group(s).

MowMyOwn 02-22-2010 01:38 PM

I can't believe this thread is even allowed in here.

Get me outta here

PS. It must really suck to be "Don".

usa today 02-22-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MowMyOwn (Post 5830)
I can't believe this thread is even allowed in here.

Get me outta here

PS. It must really suck to be "Don".

And why shouldn't it be allowed here?

Stifling free speech is something the libs are famous for

Like I said earlier , you don't have to endorse the klan, be a member or even remotely endorse them but they also have a right to speak , rally , advocate or spread their message ,
La raza does the very same thing and we don't like either.

At least in a free speech society idiocy can be refuted by clear minded thinkers.

Pocho
Bottom line

I don't care if your ancestry is Mexican, part Mexican , Irish, French or a green martian
If your a loyal American that entered this country the right way or a citizen that defends the ideals of this country for all , I will never have an argument with you , unless you advocate for illegals or enable them then we will have a problem.

PochoPatriot 02-22-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5835)
And why shouldn't it be allowed here?

Stifling free speech is something the libs are famous for

This board is not the public square, and as such has rules. Therefore this board does not have to allow free speech which violates those rules. If you want to speak your mind then the public square is the place for that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5835)
Like I said earlier , you don't have to endorse the klan, be a member or even remotely endorse them but they also have a right to speak , rally , advocate or spread their message ,
La raza does the very same thing and we don't like either.

They have the right to promote their idiocy, and I have the right to call them idiots because I don't like what they say. However what I don't have the right to do is damage them physically or murder them (though it would be grand if it did happen).

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5835)
At least in a free speech society idiocy can be refuted by clear minded thinkers.

Amen, brother.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5835)
Pocho
Bottom line

I don't care if your ancestry is Mexican, part Mexican , Irish, French or a green martian
If your a loyal American that entered this country the right way or a citizen that defends the ideals of this country for all , I will never have an argument with you , unless you advocate for illegals or enable them then we will have a problem.

Actually, I am a natural born American. I am a fourth generation American on my mother's side, and a 13th generation American on my father's side. I don't advocate for illegals, and would never enable them to remain in this country illegally. I love this country, and I believe that it is shameful that this country has become the sewer for Mexico's outcasts. What I am not, is anti-immigrant. For the most part immigration has been good for this country. However, I am leaning towards the belief that the time has come for a temporary suspension of all immigration until we have a more sensible immigration policy, and until we have better assimilation of the legal immigrants in this country.

usa today 02-22-2010 04:12 PM

I believe letting in over a million legal immigrants a year at this time is nuts

Our jobs are gone , or economy sucks

I believe its time we fashioned our immigration system after most countries

Only allow in those that can prove they are needed , that are self sustaining and can never be a burden on govt services.

And get rid of that idiot 14th that allows anchor babies
What a friggin joke that one is

No more of this deportation dragging on for years , Illegals deserve no rights but a swift deportation ,
And deport the immigration attorneys that are enabling them along with the aclu and the splc

MowMyOwn 02-22-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by usa today (Post 5835)
And why shouldn't it be allowed here?

Expressing glee for the support of the KKK? I think not.

usa today 02-22-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MowMyOwn (Post 5839)
Expressing glee for the support of the KKK? I think not.


I don't think anyone here supports the klan

ilbegone 02-22-2010 07:23 PM

I repudiate and despise anything which has to do with genuine racism, regardless of the color of the racist.

The only difference between white nationalism and Latino advocacy is that they work opposite corners of the same street.

admin 02-22-2010 07:54 PM

It appears that, once again, our general support group has soundly rejected any thought of co-mingling with racially explicit or racially exclusive groups. Discussions such as this are not forbidden as long as they don't begin to dominate the forum or get to distracting. Censoring them entirely leaves doubt in the minds of those hoping this might prove fertile ground for recruitment. I'd say that once again, those hopes appear to have been rightly dashed.
KKK members are free to exercise their rights as any other American, but our agenda doesn't allow for association with those practicing racially exclusive or racially explicit agendas. We are a charitable public benefit corp, and we are here to educate, so our effort would be to try convincing those that present us a racial agenda, to cast it off. If that fails, we must distance ourselves. The immigration debate does not revolve around race. There is no need to try injecting it in there by force.

Don 02-22-2010 09:00 PM

The issue is not supporting the KKK.

The issue is that two years ago 5 people would not have shown up to publicly support the KKK.There is tremendous pressure on white people to just shut the hell up.

Now 500 whites show up in broad daylight at a public rally? If 500 show up in public, that means at least ten times that many support them in private. It means people are REALLY getting sick of Mexicans in a major way.

Ayatollahgondola 02-22-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5853)
If 500 show up in public, that means at least ten times that many support them in private.

I think that your extrapolation is a bit unfounded and suspect

Ayatollahgondola 02-22-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MowMyOwn (Post 5830)
I can't believe this thread is even allowed in here.
.

We're not afraid of the KKK. It's not like we're tempted by mere discussion

Ayatollahgondola 02-22-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5824)
You would be banned from this site for insulting any race except white people.
I have a dream. I have a dream that one day white people will be equal to and entitled to the same respect as other races and it will not longer be open season to insult white people.

I don't believe anyone has been banned from this site, save for a few posters placing porno and pharmaceutical ads.
Your dream has a better chance of becoming reality if you drop the racial specificity, and lobby for the same protections and respect for everyone.

Don 02-23-2010 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola (Post 5855)
I think that your extrapolation is a bit unfounded and suspect


Maybe so. Here's what the local paper said:

"He [Mayor Jacobs] said City Hall received more than 1,000 calls from as far as California asking for information about the rally. “Some wanted to be part of it,” he said.

Gary Moore, chairman of the Appling County NAACP, said he thought more local Klan supporters would have attended, except it would damage their position in their communities.

“You’ve got a lot of closet people — businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, judges — that aren’t going to jeopardize their livelihoods,” he said."


Straight from the horse's mouth: If white people exercise their free speech rights, the NAACP will go after their "livelihoods." Can you imagine the outcry if whites threatened to "jeopardize" the "livelihoods" of Blacks and Mexicans for exercising 1st Amendment rights? In the Racial Caste System of modern America, whites are on the bottom and blacks and Mexicans do not hesitate to brag about their privileged, protected status as the nation's most favored races who have veto power over lowly, "inbred, rednecked" whites.

In making my estimate, which is admittedly speculative, I relied in part on the statements of the chairman of the NAACP, who refers to "closet" racists in business, the professions and even the judiciary .According to the chairman of the NAACP, the area is loaded with "closet" white racists who keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them.

Ayatollahgondola 02-23-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5872)
.According to the chairman of the NAACP, the area is loaded with "closet" white racists who keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them.

Sounds more like they're not too proud of what they are doing. I'd say this is an indication that those who support the KKK, are doing so for personal reasons as opposed to doing it for their country. I'm certainly not going to deny the existance of racists, or that they want a voice of some sort in the immigration debate. They are supposedly Americans, so they are entitled to representation, however this is not the venue to do it. Contact their reps, hold whatever rallies/events they want. But I hope you understand that we cannot become a conveyance instrument for it. It's against our grain, our charter, and as you can tell, not at all a popular sentiment among this crowd. A little discussion is not forbidden, but please try and respect our wishes as to the platform here. I don't know that you're a bad person or anything, and I would like to convince you that a racially themed manner is not a winning strategy in the immigration arena, as it drives good people away from action. I am not entirely white, and I have intermarried, so why would this be a good thing for me? Similar to Pocho, I don't want to see the mob mentality jump started anytime soon, because I'll have to spend more time watching over my wife and kids, as well as defend myself more often. Further, I have to fend off allegations of racial motives during my activism more often because that gets more publicity than the real issues that are at the root of illegal immigration and escalating immigration numbers. The racial issues in the immigration debate are a smokescreen, and I don't think we need more help keeping that smoke in our faces

Twoller 02-23-2010 11:29 AM

I think it is foolish to imagine the KKK is capable of representing anything or anybody. It is a feeble cult with no foundation or credibility other than a history of violence. Let us imagine that it is a worthwhile to stand up for the interests of "white people", even so, the KKK is not a respectable place to do it.

It should be said that representing oneself as "white" and having some political interest in being so is entirely respectable and not racist either. But standing for something like white superiority over other races is, of course, racist and not to be tolerated. And that is what the KKK represents, white superiority.

I think we should be able to all agree that every US citizen is entitled to equal rights under the law irregardless of race and that no one race should be subject to another. But the KKK does not represent this point of view.

Kathy63 02-23-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 5872)
Maybe so. Here's what the local paper said:

"He [Mayor Jacobs] said City Hall received more than 1,000 calls from as far as California asking for information about the rally. “Some wanted to be part of it,” he said.

Gary Moore, chairman of the Appling County NAACP, said he thought more local Klan supporters would have attended, except it would damage their position in their communities.

“You’ve got a lot of closet people — businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, judges — that aren’t going to jeopardize their livelihoods,” he said."


Straight from the horse's mouth: If white people exercise their free speech rights, the NAACP will go after their "livelihoods." Can you imagine the outcry if whites threatened to "jeopardize" the "livelihoods" of Blacks and Mexicans for exercising 1st Amendment rights? In the Racial Caste System of modern America, whites are on the bottom and blacks and Mexicans do not hesitate to brag about their privileged, protected status as the nation's most favored races who have veto power over lowly, "inbred, rednecked" whites.

In making my estimate, which is admittedly speculative, I relied in part on the statements of the chairman of the NAACP, who refers to "closet" racists in business, the professions and even the judiciary .According to the chairman of the NAACP, the area is loaded with "closet" white racists who keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them.

To far too many individuals to be white IS to be a racist and nothing more may be said. No use denying it either. Go to the local bookstore or library there are volume written about inborn white racisim that nothing can overcome.

Whites are either outright racists or closet racists. There are no white non-racists. That's why I'm suprised that the turnout wasn't larger than it was.

usa today 02-23-2010 01:09 PM

Just FYI

The stormfront white nationalist forums have close to 150,000 active users
(no I'm not a member)

Just food for thought

Don 02-23-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 5876)

I think we should be able to all agree that every US citizen is entitled to equal rights under the law irregardless of race and that no one race should be subject to another. But the KKK does not represent this point of view.


If you believe in equality for all races then you must really be furious that the local head of the NAACP can threaten white people with destruction of their livelihoods for openly exercising free speech rights that are routinely exercised by Blacks and Hispanics, in advancing Black and Hispanic racial interests.

I'm certainly glad you believe that no race should be subject to another and that whites should not be subject to Black veto power in the exercise of their free speech rights.

usa today 02-23-2010 01:54 PM

"I think we should be able to all agree that every US citizen is entitled to equal rights under the law irregardless of race and that no one race should be subject to another. But the KKK does not represent this point of view."

Great concept

Want me to list about a thousand ways in which WE ARE NOT EQUAL?

there are places in Las Vegas you cannot get a job UNLESS YOU SPEAK SPANISH , In fact there are places here in Vegas you can't get a job unless your hispanic.

If your here illegally with the blessings of our govt you can , drive without a license or insurance , As a tax paying citizen I can't get away with that , if I don't pay my insurance I get reported to the dmv and its curtains for my license , along with a huge fine

Last time I was in an ER I had to present 2 forms of Id , and it WAS A WORK RELATED INJURY , and yet the person infront of me got in 4 hours before me , filled out no paperwork and presented NO id , Did I mention he was hispanic and didn't speak English? Meanwhile I sat there for 5 hours with a gaping cut in my thumb.

Want to know how many able bodied young blacks I see with mega food stamp cards ? ( I work in a grocery store)?
How many hispanics towing a dozen anchors with wic up the butt ?

How come these illegals get to live 10 to a single family home or apt? the rest of us would be dinged with occupancy laws.

How is any of this fair or equal?

I could go on and on , but you get the message

Twoller 02-23-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don (Post 5881)
If you believe in equality for all races then you must really be furious that the local head of the NAACP can threaten white people with destruction of their livelihoods for openly exercising free speech rights that are routinely exercised by Blacks and Hispanics, in advancing Black and Hispanic racial interests.

I'm certainly glad you believe that no race should be subject to another and that whites should not be subject to Black veto power in the exercise of their free speech rights.

Well, twice now you accuse the NAACP of threatening people, but you have not cited anything like evidence that this is occuring. I don't think you even really believe that the NAACP actually threatened anyone, you are just posing the NAACP as threatening those who attended the Klan artificially -- and I think I am being generous when I say "artificially".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don (Post 5872)
... Here's what the local paper said:

"He [Mayor Jacobs] said City Hall received more than 1,000 calls from as far as California asking for information about the rally. “Some wanted to be part of it,” he said.

Gary Moore, chairman of the Appling County NAACP, said he thought more local Klan supporters would have attended, except it would damage their position in their communities.

“You’ve got a lot of closet people — businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, judges — that aren’t going to jeopardize their livelihoods,” he said."



Straight from the horse's mouth: If white people exercise their free speech rights, the NAACP will go after their "livelihoods." Can you imagine the outcry if whites threatened to "jeopardize" the "livelihoods" of Blacks and Mexicans for exercising 1st Amendment rights? In the Racial Caste System of modern America, whites are on the bottom and blacks and Mexicans do not hesitate to brag about their privileged, protected status as the nation's most favored races who have veto power over lowly, "inbred, rednecked" whites.

In making my estimate, which is admittedly speculative, I relied in part on the statements of the chairman of the NAACP, who refers to "closet" racists in business, the professions and even the judiciary .According to the chairman of the NAACP, the area is loaded with "closet" white racists who keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them.

You are completely misquoting Gary Moore, who was suggesting fear of embarrassment, not violence.

The idea that the NAACP might be capable of threatening attendees of a Klan meeting is pretty weak. More like the other way around isn't it? Especially with the record of the KKK. But if we were to reflect on your accusation, we might imagine that it was actually inciting attendees to a similar artificial defensive pose, falsely assuming that the NAACP might actually weild some kind of aggression against them. It might even suggest something preemptive against the NAACP as a "defensive" measure. But I won't presume to actually make such an accusation on a few posts here, even though such posturing is not uncommon among terrorists and their sympathizers.


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