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Ayatollahgondola 04-12-2011 07:20 AM

Why Obama Doesn't Release His Birth Certificate
 
I'm not thoroughly engaged in the birth certificate debate, or its' activism for that matter. It's not that I don't believe there might be some mischief or skullduggery at play, because there obviously is. Where the mischief is though, might be a little less important than why it is. Obama could have put this issue to bed a long time ago, and with relative ease, but I thought he might be keeping it around as a convenient distraction to give some of the more thorough researchers in the anti-obama camp something to keep them busy and thus occupied so as not to have time and money to throw at his other nefarious plots. But I have abandoned that theory in favor of one that makes more sense in a wider spectrum.
Obama is not going to produce a birth certificate, or address his eligibility simply because the people who have greased his way to the executive office do not want anything that resembles US sovereignty to be an issue, let alone one that should be confirmed. Anything! To defend his eligibility, is to acknowledge a sovereign country, and this is not an acceptable topic for a group of world re-aligner's whose main goal is to break down trade barriers, nativism, and national identities that restrict global governance. Just as the US border goes all but defended, so will any requirements related to to it. When I say all but defended, I of course pay homage to the veiled presence of the neutered border patrol stationed there. They are there for show, just as Obama's current eligibility documents are. They hint of propriety, but don't actually aim for it.
We now live in a virtual country in the minds of global ministers, not an actual one. There is just enough evidence of sovereignty left to keep the majority of US citizens from taking a hard look at what might be happening, and, preventing those of us already quite suspicious from going completely beserk.
My questions about Obama's credentials bother me, but they are overshadowed by the reason they are not addressed.

Don 04-12-2011 08:00 AM

Insightful and dead on. Like you, I thought the "birther" controversy was a pointless distraction. Then I studied the issue more closely. I have found no substantive evidence that he was born in Africa, but a great deal of evidence that most of his life until the late 1980's when he was accepted at Harvard Law School is a fiction created for him by ghostwriters and handlers.

His two books, Dreams From My Father (1995) and Audacity of Hope (2006) contradict each other in material details of his personal, family and professional history. In Dreams, he says his family arrived in Hawaii in 1959, but Audacity says 1960. Dreams says his parents were married in 1960, but divorce papers filed in 1964 say it was 1961. Dreams says his "father" left Hawaii in 1963, but other sources say 1962 and it's generally agreed that Obama Sr. entered Harvard in the fall of 1962. Audacity says he met his wife in 1988 when she was a practicing lawyer when he had a summer job after his first year at Harvard Law. The Illinois State Supreme Court, however, says Michelle was not admitted to practice until 1989 and Obama's official biography is that he finished his first year of law school in the spring of 1989.

In 2009 at an international Latin American conference, Obama was scolded by Daniel Orteaga for the Bay of Pigs invasion, among other things. Instead of defending America's victory in a struggle for national survival that was the Cold War, Obama got up and whined that it was unfair to blame him for an event occurred when he was only 3 months old. The Bay of Pigs invasion occurred in April 1961. For Obama to have been three months old as of the Bay of Pigs, his date of birth would have been January 1961. The problem is that his so called Certificate of Live Birth show his birth date as August 4, 1961, which means he was not born until 4 months after the Bay of Pigs. His story if full of holes like that.

The official story is that Obama's grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham, enlisted in the US Army in January 1942, was deployed to Europe in 1943, and was discharged on August 30, 1945. Pictures of Dunham in uniform, however, including the picture on the cover of Dreams From My Father, show him wearing a U.S. Marine Corps hat with an Army badge pinned on.


There are many other problems with the so called family photos of Obama prior to Harvard Law School. Many are forgeries and composites. Some depict a youthful Obama who is clearly a different person entirely. One group photo from high school shows a black person's head "photoshopped" on to a white person's body...you can see the left arm and it's white! There are at least three separate and distinct different persons identified as Obama in photos used to document his childhood and adolescent years.


Obama was purportedly born on August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, HI.

After the controversy surrounding his birth arose during the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama’s campaign in Chicago produced a purported, certified copy of Obama’s COLB, which was produced for examination to individuals from Factcheck.org.

According to this COLB, Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was “filed” with the Hawaii Dept. of Health on August 8, 1961, and was assigned certificate number 151 1961 010641. Color photos of this COLB are posted on the Factcheck.org web site.

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/...n_the_usa.html


Well, afterwards, the mother of two twin sisters named Susan and Gretchen Nordyke came forward, and produced their birth certificates showing that they were both born, within minutes of each other, on August 5, 1961 at the same hospital where Obama was purportedly born the previous day. The certification numbers of the Nordyke birth certificates are 151 61 10637 and 161 61 10638. Their birth certificates are both posted on line, as follows:


http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

http://state-of-the-nation.com/5878/...icate-numbers/

http://www.biasedmediaboycott.com/index.php?topic=80.0


The interesting thing is that the Nordyke’s certificates were filed with the Dept. of Health, on August 11, 1961, three days after Obama’s. Strangely, the Obama certificate, filed first, has A HIGHER CERTIFICATION NUMBER (i.e. 10641) , than the Nordyke sisters’ (10637 and 10638)whose were filed three days later. The fact that Obama’s certificate number is out of sequence with other documents filed with the Hawaiian Dept. of Health means it is a forgery. Official records are filed in chronological order. The numbers go forward, not backward.

The newspaper birth announcements for the Nordyke sisters have been located and posted on line.

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-314956.htm

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...hawaii81222032

This man is a complete fraud and an impostor. The only things we really know for sure about him is that he identified himself as the author of an autobiography (Dreams From My Father) that expresses virulent hatred of white people, of America and of Western Civilization. Whether he was born in Kenya or not is secondary to the issue of the fraud that has been perpetrated on this country by an impostor, a major political party and the entire mainstream media.

Ayatollahgondola 04-12-2011 08:27 AM

To address the issue of his eligibility is to affirm that there is a national interest to decide. The globalist mentors feel that this has already been decided. I don't want to get in to all the controversy about the Bilderbergers and such, but treaties are negotiated far in advance of their implementations. Likewise, they are practiced in advance of their actual signing and public release. Without broaching the conspiracy theory topic, I think they are more like the notorious "napkin deal" reached in a bar during legislative break at the state capitol. But to implement some far reaching agreements, sometimes they are tested in silent practice ahead of their public display.
The borders only exist in tribute at this point

Consulting congress is no longer considered a requirement to enter into pre-planned combat with US war assets. All that's necessary is to consult with the UN, a global governance org.

Show me where there the sovereignty of America does still exist in practice. Our dollar is subject to global mangement, our military has become an arm of global management, and we have various elected officials who hold official positions in foreign countries...(because their sovereignty doesn't exist anymore than does ours).
No...Obama cannot release his birth certificate because the napkin deal prohibits confirming that there is even a sovereignty claim in existence

Don 04-12-2011 01:25 PM

Below I have attached threads to some of the subject photos and my comments about them.

Here are links and analysis of Obama photo history.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9Na7KS82uD...age2455470.jpg

This widely circulated photo but undated, purportedly taken in 1945 and featuring Stanley, Madelyn and Ann Dunham, was released from the Obama family. It is an obvious composite, made up of three, distinctly different photos that were “cut and pasted” together, a blatant forgery cobbled up to legitimize the Dunham family.

First notice that both Madelyn and Stanley Dunham are so sharply in focus that you can see the whites of their eyes and their individual teeth. Now look at “Ann.” She is so poorly focused that her eyes and mouth are just black holes. No details are visible. Her “face” more closely resembles a grotesque Halloween mask than a human being.

Next, notice that Stanley has a shadow line down the front of his face, indicating a light source from his left. Neither Madelyn nor little “Ann” have any shadow line at all. It is impossible for three people sitting essentially in each other’s laps to show such disparities in focus and lighting. Also, “Ann’s” head appears to be too large for her little body..

There is another issue regarding the family time line. The “Ann Dunham” purportedly depicted here is between two and three years of age. Some internet captions state that she is three years of age in this photo. This raises a number of other questions about the authenticity of this photo, separate and apart from the obvious visual anomalies set froth above. According to official history, Stanley Dunham enlisted in the US Army on January 18, 1942. A birth certificate of Ann Dunham from the State of Kansas indicates that that Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942. Stanley’s on line history is that he enlisted in the US Army in January 1942, (Obama’s book, Audacity of Hope falsely says Stanley enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed.), was deployed to Europe with the 1830th Ordance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation to support the U.S. Army 9th Air Force in 1943, was reassigned to Patton’s fabled Third Army after the D-Day invasion, and was discharged from the US Army on August 30, 1945. There is no evidence that Stanley was ever furloughed from Europe back to the USA during the war. He saw no combat and was never wounded.

If Ann Dunham was three years old when this picture was taken, it raises some very serious questions about the family time line. Ann was born on November 29, 1942 and was merely an infant at the time Stanley was deployed to Europe in 1943. Clearly Ann is not an infant in this photo.

Stanley did not return to the USA until after the war and prior to his discharge on August 30, 1945. At this time, Ann was two years and nine months old.

However, Ann Dunham did not turn three years old until November 29, 1945. This was three months after Stanley was discharged from the Army. Did he keep his uniform just to have himself photographed with it in a family portrait? Unfortunately, all of the Dunhams are deceased and there is no record of the identify of the photographer who purportedly took this photo, or any of the individual photos from which it was “cut and pasted.”


http://cyberaxis.files.wordpress.com...ley-dunham.jpg

This undated picture purports to depict Stanley and Madelyn Dunham in 1942, shortly after Stanley enlisted in the U.S. Army. The problem is, the hat is a U.S. Marine Corps. hat, not a U.S. Army Hat. Clearly this photo is a fraud.

Also, notice that the Dunhams are standing up right at a 90 degree angle relative to the base of the photograph, as would ordinarily be expected. Notice, however that the house in the background is not parallel to the ground, but rather that it tilts at approximately a 9 degree angle. If a house is not level, but rather tilts at a nine (9) degree angle, how does one keep the furniture from sliding downward? How does one keep the water glasses from tipping over on the dinner table? Does one have to bolt down your table lamps to prevent them from falling over? This is another example of a clumsily crafted fraud.

http://www.issues2000.org/Dreams_From_My_Father.jpg

This shows the cover of the 2004 paperback edition of Dreams From My Father. The photo on the right purports to depict Stanley Dunham in his WW2 military uniform while holding little "Anne" on his lap. The problem is that the hat, tilted at a jaunty angle, is a US Marine Corps hat, not a U.S. Army hat. It does have a U.S. Army badge attached to it. The problems are that (1) the badge is off center; and (2) the angle of the tilt of the badge does not match the angle of the tilt of the hat to which it is attached. This would seem to suggest that the Army badge was pasted on as an afterthought and the forger did not realize that the angles of the tilt of the badge and the hat did not match.


http://www.militaryheadgear.com/types/93/items/3262

The foregoing link shows a WW2 era U.S. Army enlisted man's visor hat, which Stanley would have been wearing in an authentic photograph.



http://www.offbeatbuzz.com/wp-conten...randfather.jpg

http://www.clevelandsearch.com/images/ATT000091.jpg

This is a picture taken in the early 1970s purportedly showing and 11 or 12 year old "Obama" with his grandfather, mother and half sister, seemingly at the airport. Notice that his nose is much smaller and narrower relative to the rest of his face in this picture as compared with other "Obamas" and notice how dark is his skin color compared with other “Obamas.” Do Blacks get lighter with age between their teenage years and their 20’s and 30’s? I don't know. Do their noses get bigger with age? In the case of "Obama" it might seem so.





http://theobamafile.com/_images/Obam...ouMagazine.jpg

Check out this group photo of the teenage African –American “Obama”...HE HAS A WHITE LEFT ARM! They pasted a black person’s head on a white person’s body! It is a group photo, purportedly from the high school yearbook, which includes "Obama" at prep school when he was a teenager. Notice that all of the other people have their chins raised and are looking directly at the camera. "Obama", however, is looking off to the left and not at the camera. "Obama" is not looking at the camera man because "Obama" was not present with the group when this picture was taken. The head of this "Obama" was "cut and pasted" on to a white person's body from another photo. Notice the tell tail shadow under his chin around the base of his neck. None of the other persons in this group shot have that kind of shadow. This shadow indicates his head was "cut and pasted" from another photo.

Notice the deep, well defined creases between his nostrils and his cheeks.

Most tellingly, notice that the left arm of "Obama" is a white person's arm. The skin color of the exposed left arm of "Obama" does not match the skin color of the face. Also notice that the "Obama" depicted in this group picture has a broad African nose.

Last but not least. the head is noticeably too big for the body.



http://tommytoy.typepad.com/.a/6a013...2d4b970b-400wi

This group photo, purportedly from Obama’s high school 1977 year book, shows the Punahou prep school basket ball team, with "Obama" in the center. This was purportedly taken at the same high school as the foregoing group photo of students sitting on the stairs. First, notice that the basketball "Obama" is much larger than all the other team members. He looks like an adult who is posing with much younger, smaller persons. This is because the Obama image was taken from another photo.

Second, compare this group shot with the group shot of "Obama" sitting on the steps in the foregoing picture. Notice that in the group shot on the steps, "Obama" is the same size as the other people in the picture, unlike in the basketball team picture where he is visibly larger than the other people depicted.

Third, notice the tell tale shadow at the base of his neck. This is similar to the tell tale shadow around the base of the neck of the "Obama" sitting on the steps in the first group picture. Also notice that the face of the basket player "Obama" is brightly illuminated from the forehead to the bottom of his nose, but that the area of his face below his nose and cheeks has a dark shadow. Compare this with the other people in the photo. None of these other people has such a shadow on their faces. For "Obama" to have these shadows that are not present on any of the other people on all four sides of him is impossible. The other photograph from which the basketball "Obama" was cut and pasted had a different light source than the group team photograph into which "Obama" was inserted.

Fourth, notice that the nose of the "Obama" in the basketball team picture is visibly narrower nose than the nose of the "Obama" in the first group picture of him sitting on the stairs.

Fifth, notice that the mouths of the two Obamas are clearly different. Moreover, the "Obama" basketball player has a face that is longer and thinner than the face of "Obama" in the first group photograph. Also, notice that the clearly defined creases between the nostrils and the cheeks that appear in the “Obama” group photo on the steps are not present on the face of the basketball team “Obama.”

Finally, notice that the skin color of the face and arms of the basket ball "Obama" are the same, unlike in the first group photo where the exposed left arm of that "Obama" is a white person's arm and "Obama's" face is dark black, like a dark Afro-American.


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...02_468x649.jpg

This third high school picture purports to be Obama's high school Senior yearbook photo and shows Obama in the early 1970s. Obama does have the trademark big, wide nose, unlike the basketball team photo of the small nosed “Obama.” Another difference is that the well defined creases between Obama’s wide nostrils and cheeks that appear in the “on the steps group photo” do not appear in this mug shot, notwithstanding the broad, trademark Obama smile.

Another interesting anomaly is the assymetrical hair line shown in the yearbook mug shot. The right hair line comes over the edge of this right eye. In all other photos, Obama has a symetrical hair line. Whether this is a photo shopped image or is just some kind of shadow is not clear.




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxPG6y8Qct...52815%2529.jpg

The above purports to be Obama at Harvard Law School, which he entered in the fall of 1988. It has the trademark Obama big, wide nose, the broad smile and the well defined creases between the nostrils and the cheeks, which creases are absent from most of his earlier photos except for the high school photo showing on the steps with a group of students. This Harvard Obama is visibly the same person as President Obama, although obviously younger. Notice how big is his nose relative to the rest of his face. I reviewed as many photos of Obama as I could find and all of the younger "Obama" representations appear to be different people and not the Obama shown in this Harvard Law photograph. The noses of the younger "Obamas" are almost all smaller relative to their faces than the "Harvard Obama."

Obama’s Harvard period appears to be a sort of watershed” of Obama pictures. All of the photos since the Harvard Law photo appear to be the authentic Obama. I have spent countless hours on the web looking at as many photos of "Obama" as I can find and it appears that the true Obama that we now know kind of sprang into existence in the 1988 Harvard photos. The other, earlier pictures of a younger "Obama" do not even look like the same person.





http://www.politicalarticles.net/bar...andparents.jpg

This family group picture purports to depict a young Obama in 1982 or 1983, when his grand parents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, visited him in New York City, while Obama was purportedly attending Columbia University. It does appear to be the real "Obama" with his trademark nose that is huge relative to the rest of his face and the well defined crease lines between his nostrils and cheecks, but there are a number of problems with this picture which suggest it to be a composite made of two different photos.

First look at his left hand and you will see his very distinctive wedding ring. Obama did not meet Michelle until 1989 and did not marry her until October 3, 1992. Was he wearing his wedding ring 9 years before getting married, or did his handlers screw up when they cut and pasted his image into this dated picture? I think the answer is obvious.

The next thing to notice is that the wall under the bench is different from the wall to the left of the bench. In this doctored photo, there are two walls when in reality only one exists.

Next, notice that the head of Stanley Dunham and the head of Madelyn Dunham, sitting on either side of Obama, are over exposed, but that Obama, sitting between them, is not over exposed. This is a classic tell tail sign of a composite photograph, but there are other flaws with this picture.

Notice what purports to be Stanley's left hand is resting on Obama's far shoulder. Compare this with the fact that Stanley's upper left arm is in a downward position, perpendicular to the ground and parallel to Stanley's upper torso. With Stanley's upper arm in a downward position parallel to his upper torso, it would have been impossible for Stanely's left hand to reach the full distance over to Obama's far shoulder... unless Stanley's left forearm was from 12-14 inches longer than his right forearm. For Stanley to have reached over to place his left hand on Obama's far shoulder, Stanley's upper left arm would have to be raised up from the side of his torso. The position of Stanely's left arm, firmly against his upper torso, shows that he left hand could not have reached to Obama's far shoulder and the "hand" has been cut and pasted in to create the illusion that Stanely had his arm around his "grandson."

This picture is an obvious composite, created out of at least two other photographs.


http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoess..._family_12.jpg

Here is another phony Obama photo, this time depicting him in Kenya, purportedly with Kenyan relatives. Obama and two of his relatives are sitting out in an open area, a few feet away from a nearby hut, with a roof that overhangs slightly. It is a clear, sunny day and you can see that the sun is overhead as indicated by the 12:00 shadow on the side of the hut, the shadow being cast by the overhang of the roof.

Next, look at Obama, sitting, as he is, out in the open under the sun. HE DOES NOT PRODUCE ANY SHADOWS. This is impossible. Go outside on a sunny day and you will notice that all objects produce shadows. Cars, lamposts, telephone poles and PEOPLE. All produce shadows. This is a composite photo into which Obama has been inserted to authenticate his "relationship" with the Kenyan family..

Also notice the weird, unnatural way that his head is positioned. His upper torso is leaning to the left, but his head is straight up and down. Is his neck broken?

Finally, notice that Obama's shins are much darker than than his other exposed body parts. His shins are the same dark color as his Kenyan relatives. He does not appear to be wearing socks. Did they paste Obama's upper torso onto some one else's lower torso? Who knows.


Note the below photo which was taken from a website about Obama's background in Kenya. It shows Kenyan children running out in the open with the sun overhead. ALL OF THEM ARE PRODUCING SHADOWS.

http://picsfromafrica.bloglines.co.z...cs-from-kenya/http://<br /> <br /> http://cache.da...ZN6fC/610x.jpg
These photographs raise serious questions about the veracity of Obama and the Dunham family as well.

Jeanfromfillmore 04-12-2011 02:36 PM

This video discusses exactly what AG was saying. Why is a foreign government involved in our courts and giving an opinion? This action shows that Obama and many in our political process and courts are more concerned with global opinions in governing our country.

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Eagle1 04-12-2011 09:59 PM

I don't believe that having Obama produce his papers will have any negative repercussions for the citizens of the USA.

I am of the opinion that we have lost everything already and do not seem to understand our very obvious situation.

As mentioned by AG in this thread the USA is doing a lot of what the United nations and other foreign entities want it to do.

We have been had my fellow Americans. There is no "freedom", there are no courts that have "justice" as its goal and you have no real "representatives". It is all window dressing.

Watch gas prices go beyond four dollars and possibly above five.

There are reasons for this entire scenario that plays itself out before the eyes
of people too bright to buy into the Government-media lies so that makes them dangerous.

Be careful what you say. Be careful who you speak with. Be mindful of what you write on the internet or elsewhere.

Really its just around the corner.

Our nation and its people are being re-structured in order to suit the tastes of the powerful few that control the less wealthy average person.

The bloodsuckers are preying on us and will continue to do so until they have drained every man woman and child of their last drop of blood.

Were too smart. Too well educated. It is advantageous to replace our entire population if need be with much more easily controlled humans who just want to survive. They may make less trouble for ten years.

Then again they may be the ones to rise up and take it all away from the owners of this country....that isn't me or you. But we will be the big losers!

wetibbe 04-13-2011 05:02 AM

Rehashed.
 
I have pretty well expounded on my beliefs about eligibility several times and there really hasn't been anything new these past several weeks that I can add which will be a breakthrough or some jolting revelation.

However, Bill O'Reilly ran a segment on Fox news trying to dispel the baseless claims and misinformation and even he got some wrong.

But to briefly recap my opinions:

* OBama secrecy is so unorthodox and revealing that there is no question at all. He is definitely hiding some very damaging information. Essentially he is pleading the 5Th: Anything I say may be used against me. He doesn't want to self incriminate.

* OBama probably was born in Hawaii but not in any hospital.

* There does not exist a hard copy of any original birth certificate.

* Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham were never married. *( He was already married back in Kenya ).

* Ann Dunham was too young and had too little residence in Hawaii to be eligible to declare her son as American. She did not meet the requirements as per law.

* Barack, Jr.'s college records do not jive. Some cannot be verified. Alleged classmates have no recollection of him at all.

* His social security number apparently is not valid.

* Nancy Pelosi knew, or suspected, his questionable eligibility when the Democratic committee certified him TWICE, using modified language which differed first time from second time.

Those are some hard facts. Now some speculation.

* He may possibly never have converted back to US Citizenship after living in Indonesia.

* He could possibly be either an Indonesian citizen by adoption or a British National by virtue of his father, and have dual citizenship which makes him ineligible.

My hunch is that whatever he is hiding goes beyond simple embarrasing revelations. It seems to be considerably more serious.

Nothing can, or will, be done to terminate him before the end of his term.

I cannot see how he can possibly be re-elected without a full disclosure of all required information which is presently cloaked in deep secrecy.

Eagle1 04-14-2011 04:10 PM

If Donald trump releases information asserting that Obama is ineligible to hold office as President of the United States and if that information is correct and verifiable then there will be a very big discussion regarding the authenticity of his Presidency.

It is conceivable that Colonel Lakin, the doctor currently in military prison will have grounds for a new trial and for release.

The Supreme Court will be seen as the joke that it already is and talk shows will eat the topic up.

I don't know if Obama will be asked to step down. Fear will spread that if Obama is arrested, as he should be, that blacks will riot on a massive scale.

Racial tensions between blacks and whites will soar.

There will be repercussions undreamed of if this guy is found to have put one over on all of us.

wetibbe 05-07-2011 04:55 AM

Obama exposed !
 
It appears as though Ohio private investigator Susan Daniels has nailed Obama.

He is using a social security number that belonged to a person born in 1890. Issued in Connecticut where he never lived.

There are words of fraud, imposer, felony, illegal alien, Barry Soetoro and more on the video. It's 29 minutes long.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sus...ut-applicants/

ilbegone 05-07-2011 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetibbe (Post 16015)

He is using a social security number that belonged to a person born in 1890. Issued in Connecticut where he never lived.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sus...ut-applicants/

I don't have the time to watch the video now, will do later.

Is there a name attached to the Social Security issued in Connecticut to a Man born in 1890?

How was Obama's SSN acquired, and can the above allegation be unquestionably tied to Obama?

wetibbe 05-09-2011 02:29 AM

Yes.
 
The 1890 owner of the SS # was known. The mischief goes a lot deeper, including cutting numbers off of a rubber stamp, modifying them and using it to counterfeit Obama's data.

The details are very compelling and the video has to be seen to fully understand just how diabolical and criminal the matter is. It's worse than the birth certificate.

wetibbe 05-10-2011 03:51 AM

The smoking gun ?
 
5:40 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Well, here it is .... surprise, surprise:


OK, so I’m thinking that our President has come out with a birth certificate this week. If you notice it said Barack Obama.

I’m not the smartest guy around but if you were born as Barry Soetoro and later in life changed your name to
Barack Obama how can your birth certificate have the name on it that you made up later in life?

You think the birth certificate was made up?

If POW’s in WWII can make up phony documents in prison camps for use after their escape do you
think in 2011 with all of our marvelous technology a phony birth certificates can be made up??
I’m just wondering……………

Well, here it is at last........surprise, surprise.........
Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro.


This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in
Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name
Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.


Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Nationality: Indonesian


How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around
the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America ?


PART 2:


In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group
"Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college
transcripts from Occidental College ..


The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a
foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California . The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.


This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking -
that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these
United States . Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya , here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship..


Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation
of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.


Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.


LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS - THE MEDIA WON'T!

LAPhil 05-10-2011 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilbegone (Post 16019)
I don't have the time to watch the video now, will do later.

Is there a name attached to the Social Security issued in Connecticut to a Man born in 1890?

How was Obama's SSN acquired, and can the above allegation be unquestionably tied to Obama?

If there was a video on that site it isn't there any more. Personally I think this is crackpot stuff and this issue died when Obama released the long form COLB. Of course there will be always be those who'll question it no matter what. I would have been considered a "birther" myself at one time, but it pays to keep an open mind, and I no longer care about any of this. There are much more important reasons to make Obama a one-term president right now.

wetibbe 05-11-2011 03:26 AM

Try again.
 
Just went back and checked the site. The video is still there.

Susan Daniels explains Obama's social security number.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sus...ut-applicants/


* Addendum:

I clicked on the link here and it works for me. It is active.

LAPhil 05-11-2011 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetibbe (Post 16078)
Just went back and checked the site. The video is still there.

Susan Daniels explains Obama's social security number.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sus...ut-applicants/


* Addendum:

I clicked on the link here and it works for me. It is active.

I just tried again and the video was working, so I listened to all but about the last five minutes of it. As far as I'm concerned those people have no credibility, and particularly when they said they're not convinced that Osama Bin Laden is really dead. I also find it rather curious that this social security business has never come up until just recently. These conspiracy freaks need to give it a rest already.

wetibbe 05-11-2011 10:30 AM

Old news.
 
LAPHIL:

I have heard about this social security number fiasco for a very long time. It has been around.

Based on my information I am inclined to believe that she does have something solid.

I have followed this very assiduously from it's inception and from numerous sources.

I never believed Obama was born in Kenya. I did believe that the Kenyan birth certificate was counterfeit, and it was. Now there is compelling evidence that Obama's just released birth certificate is also a phony manufactured copy.

Further new information that I have received in the past couple of days indicates that Obama attended Occidental College on a student grant/ loan to Barry Soetero, an Indonesian exchange student. And that Obama may have never re-established his American citizenship after being adopted by Soetero.

I completely understand your skepticism. There is so much stuff flying around that it is difficult to sift out the facts.

wetibbe 05-14-2011 04:02 AM

More revelations:
 
Looking worse and worse for Obama. His most recent birth certificate has forensically been declared a counterfeit !

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Web expert: Obama certificate
falls short in authenticity
Cites images sharing space, anomalous for typed pages
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Editor's note: Jerome Corsi's "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President" is available today for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, exclusively by the WND Superstore.

HONOLULU, Hawaii – A Web expert who has built and run Internet and networking companies says the image the White House released as Barack Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" essentially fails the authenticity test and that the image was more "assembled" than copied from an original.

That's the conclusion of Karl Denninger, whose resume includes work as CEO of MCSNet, a Chicago networking and Internet company; time with D&D Software/Macro Computer Solutions; work as a programming team leader for network software; and service in network engineering with ratings as a Unix System administrator.

Denninger's work follows on the opinion from another analyst, Ivan Zatkovich of Tampa-based eComp Consultants, which consults on intellectual property for telecommunications, Web publishing and e-commerce. He also has provided services for corporations such as McGraw-Hill, Houghton-Mifflin, Citicorp and Amazon.com.

Zatkovich, who has 28 years experience in computer science and document management and for more than 10 years has been an expert witness in federal court in both criminal and civil litigation, told WND the White House image "has specific content extracted from that base layer and enhanced."


Click here to get your copy of "Where's the Birth Certificate?
The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President".

Zatkovich said, "This was done through an explicit operation to edit and/or enhance the printing in the document. There is no ambiguity here. There was an explicit action by a person to modify the document. ... Mostly like to enhance the legibility, but still an explicit action nonetheless."

He explained that his analysis was similar to that routinely done on evidentiary documents for cell phones and computers in cases involving child porn, fraud and murder cases.

"The content clearly indicates that the document was knowingly and explicitly edited and modified before it was placed on the web," he said.

Now Denninger has posted a series of reports online, including on YouTube, where he explains his concerns, which focus around the lettering as it appears on the document that reportedly is a photocopy on green "safety paper" of the original record in Hawaii.

He explains that the type on the birth document show evidence of "kerning," the squeezing of letters into a line so that they intrude into adjacent letter spaces. Kerning is routine, since the advent of word processors and computers, but impossible with a typewriter.




Denninger explains that in the image above, of the name of the hospital, the "a" and the "p" share vertical space on the line.

"This process, of course, requires that you know what the next letter is. With a computer this is pretty easy, since the computer can retroactively go back and adjust, and it also can typeset the current letter with the knowledge of what the previous one was," he reported. "A typewriter, on the other hand, is a mechanical device. It does not know what the next letter is that you will type, nor does it know what the last letter was that you typed. It thus has a typeface that always leaves physical space between the boundary of each character."

To those who argue that some sort of physical condition – such as a malfunctioning typewriter carriage – could have caused what appears to be kerning, he says the document doesn't support that explanation.

Further, he says, another scan of the document, done by the Associated Press, produced an image with critical differences from what document the White House released. For example, he said the White House image's background isn't consistent.

"Somebody took two images, the safety paper image as a background, and laid this other document on top of it. This is not a scan, this is assembled from two, or more than two documents, that were put together by computerized means," he said.

His full explanation is on video:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=295189


"To refute this point you must come up with a typewriter that contains a flux capacitor and thus is capable of accurately predicting the future," he said. "This document has been assembled by somebody on a computer."

He contends "there's only one way we're going to get the truth – a forensic document examiner is going to have to go look at the certificate and authenticate it. The real one – not a printout."

Denninger, who says he voted for Obama, also talked about the typewriter characters' alignment. The B from Barack and the K from Kapiolani line up vertically, but the line then goes through the middle of the M in Male, he said.

He said the only explanation would be that someone typed "Male" after filling out the rest of the document, and then took the paper out and reinserted it. That, he concluded, is illogical.

"Draw your own conclusions, but what I see here is a document that was not put into a typewriter and typed in one operation. Has this proved somebody tampered with it? Not necessarily. But it's another piece of the puzzle."

He also noted the scanned document from the White House has no "chromatic artifacts," as one would expect in a color scan. Chromatic artifacts, however, show up in the AP scan of the same document, and their absence in the White House release document shows "is not an unaltered color scan."

He also wondered why the typist had not used tab stops, as a clerk typing many forms probably would.

"We're talking about probabilities," he told WND. "When you look at a handful of layers, that's not proof … but it's more evidence."

The White House had trumpeted the release of the document, calling it "proof positive" Obama was born in Hawaii, as if that would answer all of the questions about his presidential eligibility. But who contend the country's founders understood a "natural born Citizen" to be a person born of two American parents say the document actually proves Obama's ineligibility.

Barack Obama Sr., who is listed as the father, was not a U.S. citizen.

The president himself even seemed to acknowledge the relevance of parental citizenship when he co-sponsored a resolution to address Sen. John McCain's presidential eligibility that implied a "natural born Citizen" must be born to "American citizen" parents.

Hawaii officials say they have Obama's original birth certificate and made copies for the president. One of the copies then was scanned and posted on the White House website.

ohighlass 05-17-2011 08:15 AM

true?
 
I heard that the reason he does not reveal his true certificate is that it states muslim as his religion.....?!!?

LAPhil 05-17-2011 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohighlass (Post 16160)
I heard that the reason he does not reveal his true certificate is that it states muslim as his religion.....?!!?

I don't think a birth certificate even states religion. How could a newborn have a religion?

wetibbe 05-19-2011 05:00 AM

Closing in on the fraud !
 
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A QUESTION OF ELIGIBILITY

The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery
Researcher who suspects forgery finds possible reason for Obama registration number

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Posted: May 17, 2011
8:28 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily





Sunahara grave marker at Miliani Memorial Gardens in Waipahu, Hawaii (Courtesy My Very Own Point of View)

NEW YORK – Amid questions about the authenticity of Obama's posted birth records raised by the registration number, a researcher has discovered a possible explanation.

The Post and Email blog, which has focused on the Obama eligibility controversy, features a report by an unnamed researcher who discovered the record of a girl born the same day as the president who died a day later that could have been the source of Obama's birth certificate.

The find is significant because of questions about the plausibility of the registration number indicated on the images of short-form and long-form birth certificates for the president posted on the Internet.

As WND reported, the numbers on the published Hawaii birth certificates of twins Susan and Gretchen Nordyke are lower than the number given Obama, even though the president's birth certificate was accepted by the registrar general and stamped with a certificate number three days earlier. Further, as WND reported yesterday, an article by the man who was Hawaii's registrar general at the time Obama was born confirmed birth certificates were numbered immediately upon acceptance by the registrar general.

Jerome Corsi's new book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?", is now available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore

The researcher found documentation for Virginia Sunahara's birth on the morning of Aug. 4, 1961, at Wahiawa General Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu. She was the daughter of Hawaii-born Tomio Sunahara, a postal clerk of Japanese ancestry who fought for the U.S. in World War II, and his wife, Clara.

The infant developed complications and most likely was transferred to Kapi'olani Women and Children's Medical Center in Honolulu, although the hospital could have been Queens Medical Center. She died on Aug. 5, 1961.

(Story continues below)




WND contacted Virginia's mother Clara, 83, who is living in Wahiawa on Oahu.

Clara told WND by telephone she did not have Virginia's birth certificate and she was not interested in applying to the Hawaii Department of Health to see what birth records might be on file regarding her daughter.

The researchers reported that newly born Virginia Sunahara was transferred to a Honolulu hospital from Wahiawa General Hospital because she was having trouble breathing. The Honolulu hospitals were considered to have better equipment to deal with neonatal birth complications.

Virginia Sunahara's vital records have been located in the Hawaii birth and death records, as shown here:


Hawaii Department of Health Birth Index, Honolulu, Hawaii



And here:


Hawaii Department of Health Death Index, Honolulu, Hawaii



No birth announcement appeared for Virginia Sunahara in either Honolulu newspaper.

A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961.

The researchers who discovered Virginia Sunahara's birth record speculated that at the time of her death, her parents had not yet selected her name.

The timing of the newspaper death notice may have resulted from the fact that Hawaii law requires the registration of a death within three days and the registration of a birth within seven days.

The researchers further speculated that by the time the birth certificate was submitted by the hospital to the local registrar at the Hawaii Department of Health, Clara and Tomio had decided on the name Virginia, and the Department of Health updated its records accordingly.

This would explain why the newspaper death announcements listed the name as Tomiyo Sunahara, while the official Hawaii death records list the child's name as Virginia.

With an Aug. 4, 1961, birthdate, it's possible Virginia Sunahara's birth registration was filed as late as Aug. 11, 1961 – the same day the Nordyke twins' birth certificates were filed by Kapi'olani hospital with the Hawaii Department of Health local registrar and registrar general.

Susan Nordyke, the twin born first, received birth certificate number 10637; Gretchen Nordyke, the second, received number 10638.

Barack Obama's birth certificate was issued the number 10641, even though it was registered three days before the Nordykes' certificates.

However, if the birth certificate number 10641 was first assigned to Virginia Sunahara, the apparent conflict could be explained.

Is it possible that if Obama's birth records were forged, the perpetrator used Virginia Sunahara's birth certificate number, knowing the girl was long dead and the family was unlikely to know or complain?

Virginia Sunahara was initially buried Sept. 28, 1961, at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, also known as the Punchbowl, at 2177 Puowaina Drive in Honolulu, in Section U Site 966-F.

Her father died March 26, 1968, and Virginia was disinterred and re-buried alongside her father's cremated remains at Mililani Memorial Park in Waipahu in October 1968.


http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=300201


Read more: The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=300201#ixzz1Mnq3z3Jy

LAPhil 05-19-2011 05:42 AM

(yawn). This is so much ado about nothing. So what's the ultimate conclusion to all this? That Obama was born in Kenya? Or maybe somewhere else but not in the United States? I think Jerome Corsi, Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, and company are grasping at straws and no doubt will continue to do so ad nauseum. They really need to focus their energy on some real issues.

REWHBLCAIN 05-20-2011 08:15 AM

Obama’s ineligibility: Has the time come for rebellion?
 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/36706


We are experiencing, in real-time, the destruction of the Constitution and a flagrant disregard for the rule of law by elected officials and government bureaucrats


Obama’s ineligibility: Has the time come for rebellion?


- Lawrence Sellin Friday, May 20, 2011

Americans have a right to know whether or not the occupant of the White House is a criminal.

The political elite and the state-run media do not want anyone to talk about it. They say that there are more important issues to discuss than if Barack Hussein Obama has committed felonies before and after arriving in the Oval Office.

The conspiracy of silence by the political elite and the associated news blackout can only be explained by complicity in a cover-up of possible criminal acts. If there is another explanation, I would like to know it.

It is clear that Obama is not, according to the Constitution, eligible to be President of the United States because he is not a natural born citizen.

There is also evidence that he may have committed fraud regarding his birth documents, Social Security number, his Selective Service registration and his real estate transactions in Chicago.

I am a scientist by training and temperament. I do not adhere to conspiracy theories. In my opinion, it is no longer just a theory. There is sufficient evidence to warrant an official investigation.

The continuous stonewalling by both parties’ elite is clearly directed toward preventing such an investigation because it would divulge that our government is riddled with corruption and operates solely to benefit the political royalty.

The intentional silence of the state-run media is to protect Obama and the far left-wing agenda he represents.

It seems that they have both decided to follow the advice of Adolf Hitler: “The great masses of the people…will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.”

Obama’s guru, the neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky, wrote in his book “Rules for Radicals”:

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

Obama’s 2012 presidential campaign has started selling “Made in the USA” T-shirts showing images of both Obama and the long-form birth certificate.

It is both clever and revealing. Obama often laughs off questions about his eligibility, but with obvious nervous laughter. Ask any police officer. It is a verbal clue of deception, a clear indicator of stress or fear.

It is not, however, a comedy, but a tragedy. The United States is no longer what John Adams described as a government of laws and not of men. It has become the opposite.

The government has violated its oath to defend the Constitution, interfered with the rule of law and scorned citizen attempts to petition for the redress of grievances.

As Abraham Lincoln noted, the American people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.

We are experiencing, in real-time, the destruction of the Constitution and a flagrant disregard for the rule of law by elected officials and government bureaucrats, who are deliberately hiding the truth from the American people.

We must overthrow those responsible. For too long we have been silent and inattentive.

The loyalty of the American people is to the country and the Constitution, not to shady officeholders or petty bureaucrats.

The disdain demonstrated by the state-run media will also have its day of reckoning, as President Theodore Roosevelt stated:

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

The American people must now send an unambiguous message to the political elite that the usurpation of power and the selective application of the law are not legitimized by acquiescence or repetition.

As John Adams cautioned Americans:

“If we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it… Be not intimidated… nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.”

We must not permit Obama to run for President in 2012 without a proper investigation of his background and the truth disclosed.

If our government shirks its responsibility, then it is our patriotic duty as citizens to act.

wetibbe 05-20-2011 09:39 AM

Where's the birth certificate ?
 
This morning I went to Barnes & Noble and bought John Corsi's book - "Where's the birth certificate".

Esquire Magazine has put out some false information saying the book was being taken off shelves.

WND says the book has the White House in a panic.

I haven't had time yet to read the book.

When I asked the clerk for the book she acted as though she wasn't familiar with it. Looked it up on the computer then escorted me to the location where it was. There was quite a stack available.

$25.50 plus tax.

wetibbe 05-21-2011 02:41 AM

Update on the book.
 
I read some pages, the dust cover and perused some exhibits, but haven't finished the book.

Generally WND has provided a significant amount of the books content, over the months via E-mails. However, the book places in sharper focus, and more detail, the available data.

I'll have to give Jerome Corsi high marks for his seeming honesty and integrity in addressing the fictions and the facts. Whenever there is some aspect that is dubious or questionable he confronts it head on and dispels the rumors.

He corrected one misconception that I had and posted here. That Ann Dunham was too young to qualify for declaration of her son, being only 18 while the requirement was 10 years of residency from age 16. The law actually applied to foreigners.

Jerome Corsi also included in the exhibits the (2) TWO DNC certifications of Obama's eligibility. One including the statement that he was eligible and one deleting that clause ???????????????

One surprise to me was that there is no law, according to Congressional legal opinion, that requires a candidate to prove his/her eligibility and no law requiring a birth certificate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming forth in the book is the wide range of opinions about the Constitution and it's interpretation by the left and the right presently. As is stated the law is very ambiguous.

It seems apparent that one purpose of the book is to ensure that the 2012 candidates are properly vetted and proven eligible. Many states are passing laws requiring proof of eligibility to be on the ballot. I would surmise that the 2012 election will be a knock down drag out brawl. My gut feeling is that Obama won't make it.

wetibbe 05-29-2011 07:52 AM

Update
 
Friends:

I have now read over 3/4 of the book.

Continued high marks for Corsi. Very honest and spell bindingly thourough as PhD's are ! My respect for him is growing.

Basically the book hasn't revealed much of anything that I already haven't known from WND E-mails updates over the months.

The salient features are that there is an abundance of liars, con artists, sanctimonous hypocrites, flakes.

Bottom line - The American people will benefit greatly by expunging this Oval Office userper ASAP and/or assure that there cannot be a repeat of the grotesque fraud in 2012.

REWHBLCAIN 05-30-2011 02:38 PM

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator – Official Proof
 
http://patriotupdate.com/videos/obam...official-proof

wetibbe 05-31-2011 07:24 AM

Of course.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWHBLCAIN (Post 16414)

Corsi came to the same conclusion.

Governor Abercrombie promised to show the real certificate but later learned that there isn't one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So he had to clam up.

If the book does anything it strongly tilts towards confirming that Obama was born in Hawaii. That isn't the real issue. His citizenship and eligibility, under the Constitution, being natural, native born, is he issue.

About the only real mystery that Corsi hasn't solved is Stanley Ann Dunham's whereabouts during about the last 7 months of her pregnancy. She dropped out of college and didn't resurface until after the birth. Three weeks later she went to Seattle and enrolled there again in college. Obama senior stayed in Hawaii.

There is no record of a marriage but there is mention of a divorce decree. No photos of wedding. No photos of the birth or new baby.

Corsi's main theme, or concern, is about the duality and possibility of allegiance to another country. The framers of the Constitution went to extra lengths to ensure that only a true native born American could be eligible. That was a period when the British were very much involved, the US broke away from the king and declared independence.

The current leftist revisionists and progressived are not really that interested in preserving the integrity of the Constitution.


There is so much fudging and faking because the citizenship issue is hidden. He was apparently adopted in Indonesia and had Indonesian citizenship after having dual British and American citizenship.

And of course the now infamous Connecticut social security number !!!!!!

He has now spent upwards of $1,300,000 on attorneys hiding all of his past and all of his records !


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