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Ronbass 04-11-2011 02:12 PM

Back to the Border 2011
 
It's time for American Patriots to go back to the border.
If any one has resources that they know of post on this thread.
For example, on going volunteer border patrol operations.

Secure the Border, Enforce the Law, and no Amnesty.

stepman 04-11-2011 02:23 PM

Another Jerseyite chimes in
 
While I am in North Jersey I am interested in a SECURE BORDER. Let's make some REAL noise and wake up OUR Congressman.

Ayatollahgondola 04-11-2011 02:39 PM

Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.

ilbegone 04-11-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

It's time for American Patriots to go back to the border.
If any one has resources that they know of post on this thread.
For example, on going volunteer border patrol operations.

Secure the Border, Enforce the Law, and no Amnesty.
A secure border involves kicking the living shit out of the enablers of illegal immigration - politicians and employers of illegal aliens - nothing else will make it happen.

ilbegone 04-11-2011 05:29 PM

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Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.
A few years ago, there was an interview of Jose Angel Gutierrez by what I believe was the Fort Worth Star Telegram. He predicted that in a few years that the US would be bankrupt, and that's when his Aztlan would be realized.

Twoller 04-11-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stepman (Post 15527)
While I am in North Jersey I am interested in a SECURE BORDER. Let's make some REAL noise and wake up OUR Congressman.

Funny, why is it that a secure border always means our southern border? We have a northern border with problems too. What do you have to report on our northern border? Anything?

stepman 04-11-2011 07:20 PM

Drones are teh answer?!?
 
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Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 15534)
Funny, why is it that a secure border always means our southern border? We have a northern border with problems too. What do you have to report on our northern border? Anything?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFxGd8jDiQ

Twoller 04-11-2011 09:47 PM

Thanks stepman for that exceptionally cool video. Remotely piloted aircraft are huge in border control and I suppose we are looking at automation eventually doing alot of this stuff.

wetibbe 04-12-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 15534)
Funny, why is it that a secure border always means our southern border? We have a northern border with problems too. What do you have to report on our northern border? Anything?

There is plenty to be said about "border states". New York is a border state. Not only does it have a long frontier with Canada but it also has lots of coast line and airports.
Canada's border is much longer than Mexico's. But unlike Mexico Canadians enjoy a high standard of living and education as well as being ethnically similar to Americans in The USA. The whole country is the second largest, geographically, in the world after Russia. But it's population is only around 32 - 35 million as opposed to Mexico's 100 million plus. Central America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras also contribute as does the Caribbean, Cuba, Haiti. And South America Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil. Canadians do not flock across. It is predominantly foreigners who enter Canada in transit to the the USA. However, the Campesino's certainly do cross over from the USA headed North. Whereas the Southern border crossers are predominantly seeking work, or trafficking drugs, or committing crimes or escaping from their country's law, the Canadian border crossings appear to be largely terrorists.
Back several years, in the heyday of MCDC Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, there was a Long Island, NY, headquartered outfit that was organizing Northern border weekend watches up on the Canadian border. It's a 4 hour drive up there. Many who committed to go didn't show up on the appointed day. Those that did go essentially hung around the border stations kicking a soccer ball back and forth to the Canadians. I don't think they ever actually saw an illegal border crosser. It was a publicity stunt to drum up interest in the Arizona border fence that MCDC said it would build. We hear very little about any apprehensions. Occasionally someone is caught crossing the ST. Lawrence river, or Lake Erie, in a boat, that gets spotted and caught. It's pretty remote, little populated and very forested up there in Northern New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. The Canadian side is even more so.
So far as the UAV drone aircraft are concerned, the past record of the Texas UAV,s according to reports, wasn't impressive. The actual hours flown were very low. Only a fraction of available hours. And apprehensions were rather dismal. Low numbers. Cost was high per man caught. It wasn't very cost effective. Boots on the ground were far more efficient and much lower cost with many more contacts. DHS put up 6 UAV"S recently, from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California but I haven't seen any reports of hours in air or apprehensions.
Sad to say it is getting increasingly more and more difficult to get a straight story out of DHS, CBP, ICE and BATF. They are so busy spinning, deceiving, covering up that there is little credibility.

wetibbe 04-12-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronbass (Post 15526)
It's time for American Patriots to go back to the border.
If any one has resources that they know of post on this thread.
For example, on going volunteer border patrol operations.

Secure the Border, Enforce the Law, and no Amnesty.

About the only two active operations in Arizona that I know about are Bill Davis and J.T. Ready.

Bill Davis http://www.cochisecountymilitia.org/ sponsored a border event last summer but got a poor response. He was also offering volunteers to cattle ranchers to watch properties.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...cochise+county


J.T. Ready is something of a controversial character that drew lots of negative publicity. His small group went out looking for illegal aliens in Cochise County 70 miles North of the border.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...360&q=jt+ready

According to the SOS radio report here on this site, Jim Gilchrist, Minuteman Project, is trying to raise funds to field another border/Minuteman event. I did receive an E-mail from him also.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...uteman+project

I did read a news report that an Arizona Legislator was proposing funding civilian border watchers but haven't heard any more in recent weeks.

The other border movement is law enforcement BORTAC special tactical SWAT teams and sheriffs using civilian deputies..


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