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Don 11-18-2011 06:51 PM

Plain Talk from Common Man
 
Interesting, well reasoned, articulately presented case for controlling our borders.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xds...xican-rant_fun

nativesmith 11-18-2011 07:40 PM

Well he does have a point there although it's a little funny watching him

wetibbe 11-21-2011 04:16 AM

Ugh !Sounds like a typical Brooklynite - Pheeeew !
 
I don't think I would want him on my team !

Rim05 11-21-2011 09:31 AM

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I don't think I would want him on my team !
So true, I would not want to be around him. I will not go to name calling but he is worse than those he is ranting against. :eek:

Don 11-21-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rim05 (Post 18738)
So true, I would not want to be around him. I will not go to name calling but he is worse than those he is ranting against. :eek:


You think this comedian is worse than the scum invading and destroying our country? Why don't you move to Mexico? There are already plenty of Mexicans and plenty of filthy stinking Mexican slums there. If you move there, you can achieve your ambition o f living in one of them.

Here is a nice link to Jose Angel Gutierrez, a tax payer funded college "teacher" in Texas who advocates that "we have got to kill" the Gringo.

http://americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/...rrezQuote.html

Here's a link to his cute little book, entitled [B]Chicano Manual on How to Handle Gringos. You can get this wonderful little book on Amazon.


http://www.amazon.com/Chicano-Manual.../dp/1558853960

We are going to have to prepare kill this scum because they've already announced their intentions to kill us if we don't. Only the strong survive and if you have no stomach for survival, at least don't impede those of us who do. People like you defend the enemy because deep down inside you are one of them!

Rim05 11-21-2011 06:40 PM

The video jerk could not utter a sentence with out some vulgar word in it. If a person is going to make a video and post it on You Tube, I would think he/she would want to look/act intelligent.

I know all about those you are trying to tell me about. I can assure you that

I know about everything the Invaders have/are doing. It is just that I refuse to roll in the mud with them. I also expect better of my fellow citizens.

nativesmith 11-22-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wetibbe (Post 18734)
I don't think I would want him on my team !

All those "shoot to kill" stuff makes a fool out of him

Don 11-23-2011 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nativesmith (Post 18743)
All those "shoot to kill" stuff makes a fool out of him

Here's a story about armed illegal aliens stalking US Border Patrol officers. You may not have the stomach to kill them, but they certainly have the stomach to kill Americans and are actively trying to do so. This is an invasion of our country. If you're not prepared to kill them, then they're going to kill you.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...border-patrol/

wetibbe 11-24-2011 03:41 AM

Differentiate
 
My problem with the Brooklynites comments is that he doesn't distinguish the relatively innocuous border jumpers from the criminal elements.

I am, in fact, involved in communicating with border sheriffs, trying to help obtain funds and assets as well as personnel. Of particular interest, right now, is the returning military equipment, Humvees, arms, night vision optics, thermal binoculars, communications equipment, tents, kitchen equipment and yes some helicopters for the sheriffs. In addition I'm also promoting volunteers, hard core veterans, quite unsuccessfully at the moment.

I have no problem whatsoever with CBP and sheriffs returning fire and terminating the drug and human smugglers and traffickers and the mules escorts that are armed.

The Brooklynite apparently espouses just mowing down anyone that comes across the border. man, woman, child.

Not only is that a totally idiotic proposal, Congress would never approve it, DOD and law enforcement just simply would not do it in the first place and secondly the DOJ would be prosecuting the Americans wholesale as fast as possible. Furthermore the whole world including the UN, allies, and the World Court would turn on America.

What we would want to do is put the Broklynite on the border, give him a gun and tell him to "have at it". As soon as he started shooting LOE's would turn him into Swiss cheese.

Basically he is saying go fight and I will hold your coat. I think, frankly, that he is just venting and blowing off steam.

LAPhil 11-27-2011 03:09 PM

This is an old video. It's really hard to take this guy seriously, so it doesn't bother me at all.

Don 11-27-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wetibbe (Post 18757)
My problem with the Brooklynites comments is that he doesn't distinguish the relatively innocuous border jumpers from the criminal elements.

I am, in fact, involved in communicating with border sheriffs, trying to help obtain funds and assets as well as personnel. Of particular interest, right now, is the returning military equipment, Humvees, arms, night vision optics, thermal binoculars, communications equipment, tents, kitchen equipment and yes some helicopters for the sheriffs. In addition I'm also promoting volunteers, hard core veterans, quite unsuccessfully at the moment.

I have no problem whatsoever with CBP and sheriffs returning fire and terminating the drug and human smugglers and traffickers and the mules escorts that are armed.

The Brooklynite apparently espouses just mowing down anyone that comes across the border. man, woman, child.

Not only is that a totally idiotic proposal, Congress would never approve it, DOD and law enforcement just simply would not do it in the first place and secondly the DOJ would be prosecuting the Americans wholesale as fast as possible. Furthermore the whole world including the UN, allies, and the World Court would turn on America.

What we would want to do is put the Broklynite on the border, give him a gun and tell him to "have at it". As soon as he started shooting LOE's would turn him into Swiss cheese.

Basically he is saying go fight and I will hold your coat. I think, frankly, that he is just venting and blowing off steam.

The man is a comedian. The video is intended to be funny and it is. But it is also serious in that it proposes the most effective way to stop a foreign invasion: Kill the invaders before they can get inland and have babies, sign up for welfare, dumb down schools, bankrupt hospitals...etc. You fail to realize that it is the so called "innocuous border jumpers" who are wrecking the country by the sheer dead weight of their numbers. It's not Mexican criminals that are getting welfare, screwing up the schools and wiping out hospitals. It's the so called "decent" ones.

Well, there are no decent ones. They're all the same. His proposal is not idiotic, but merely politically impossible. Congress won't support it because these third world primitives are so strongly represented in the government, the government that has long ago foresaken the American people. Our lot in life is to be indentured servants to the "migrants" so that their tax payer funded healthcare and "Chicano Studies" programs are not cut, even if we starve.

Gun down every one...man woman and child? Sounds good to me. What do you think we did at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We dropped fire bombs and atomic devices on undefended civilian targets full of people on the other side of the world who were no threat to us. They were thousands of miles away. These new enemies are at arms' length. If you're too squeamish to shot them, then throw away your American flag (if you actually own one), start learning Spanish and learn how to have three families move into your single family residence to split the housing cost because that's your future if this infestation of teeming third world hordes is not stopped.

The fact that any serious defense of our country against foreign invasion is politically impossible just shows how far down the tubes we've gone. They already own our country and they own us. We are conquered subjects to be enslaved and looted.

Rim05 11-28-2011 06:43 AM

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Well, there are no decent ones. They're all the same. His proposal is not idiotic, but merely politically impossible. Congress won't support it because these third world primitives are so strongly represented in the government, the government that has long ago foresaken the American people. Our lot in life is to be indentured servants to the "migrants" so that their tax payer funded healthcare and "Chicano Studies" programs are not cut, even if we starve.

Gun down every one...man woman and child? Sounds good to me. What do you think we did at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We dropped fire bombs and atomic devices on undefended civilian targets full of people on the other side of the world who were no threat to us. They were thousands of miles away. These new enemies are at arms' length. If you're too squeamish to shot them, then throw away your American flag (if you actually own one), start learning Spanish and learn how to have three families move into your single family residence to split the housing cost because that's your future if this infestation of teeming third world hordes is not stopped.

The fact that any serious defense of our country against foreign invasion is politically impossible just shows how far down the tubes we've gone. They already own our country and they own us. We are conquered subjects to be enslaved and looted.
Well, there are no decent ones. They're all the same. His proposal is not idiotic, but merely politically impossible. Congress won't support it because these third world primitives are so strongly represented in the government, the government that has long ago foresaken the American people. Our lot in life is to be indentured servants to the "migrants" so that their tax payer funded healthcare and "Chicano Studies" programs are not cut, even if we starve.

Gun down every one...man woman and child? Sounds good to me. What do you think we did at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We dropped fire bombs and atomic devices on undefended civilian targets full of people on the other side of the world who were no threat to us. They were thousands of miles away. These new enemies are at arms' length. If you're too squeamish to shot them, then throw away your American flag (if you actually own one), start learning Spanish and learn how to have three families move into your single family residence to split the housing cost because that's your future if this infestation of teeming third world hordes is not stopped.

The fact that any serious defense of our country against foreign invasion is politically impossible just shows how far down the tubes we've gone. They already own our country and they own us. We are conquered subjects to be enslaved and looted.
There you go again Don, you say we fire bombed those countries but, do you remember Pearl Harbor?

I am not against, and I do want the Border Patrol armed with real bullets. Yes, and use them when necessary.
Instead of sending our BP to Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels, I would let Mexico take care of their so called country. We should CONTROL our own border instead.
It is my opinion that NO politition cares who is here and they do not care about the borders.

I am thinking about the Latina in Porter Ranch Walmart. Black Friday, she sprayed about 20 shoppers with pepper spray to keep them from the x boxes as they were opened, all so she could get hers.
She went to the PD later and turned herself in, Guess what? Yesterday I heard that the PD released her,no charges and she is still FREE. That does tell us, the American Citizen to go to hell?

1. I have plenty of US flags.
2. I have NO plans to learn Spanish.
3. I do not plan to share my home with any one.

I have been on the street many times and hours doing all I know how to stop the insanity. Tell me where you have been besides on some forum.
I have signed the Petition to repeal the Dream Act, have you?
You see it is a bit more complicated than ranting, you must DO, DO, DO AND THEN DO MORE. The politicans are not going to do it for you.

Ayatollahgondola 11-28-2011 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 18770)
Gun down every one...man woman and child? Sounds good to me. What do you think we did at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We dropped fire bombs and atomic devices on undefended civilian targets full of people on the other side of the world who were no threat to us. They were thousands of miles away..

You forget that Germany was in the midst of developing an atomic weapon until the US stopped them. They were also still building rockets to launch at civilian targets in britian, some with mindless chance oriented targeting mechanisms. Japan, while not so engaged in that process had shown tremendous resolve to dig in, and continue the fight. In addition, Japan was developing other threatening tools of war to launch at us in underhanded attacks. Have you seen the submarines they built that were aircraft carriers? They were planning to sail them to the panama canal for another sneak attack while disguising the planes as other than japanese.
While the use of the A-bomb was somewhat questionable, the one's doing the questioning are usually the ones who weren't going to be involved in the invasion of the japanese homeland

Ayatollahgondola 11-28-2011 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rim05 (Post 18774)
I am thinking about the Latina in Porter Ranch Walmart. Black Friday, she sprayed about 20 shoppers with pepper spray to keep them from the x boxes as they were opened, all so she could get hers.
She went to the PD later and turned herself in, Guess what? Yesterday I heard that the PD released her,no charges and she is still FREE. That does tell us, the American Citizen to go to hell?.

I hadn't heard that she was ID'd as Latina...Where'd you read or hear that?

LAPhil 11-28-2011 10:51 AM

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Twoller 11-28-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola (Post 18775)
... They [Nazi Germany] were also still building rockets to launch at civilian targets in britian, some with mindless chance oriented targeting mechanisms. ...

A small point, but there were no targeting mechanisms in the Nazi missile and drone program against the English. They were applied strictly as terror weapons. They had generalized targets they hoped they might reach, but the science of targeting ballistic missiles was not well developed enough to include any on board targeting mechanisms.

The Qassam missiles launched from Gaza into the rest of Israel is a similar program. They are crude, home built and have no tactical value whatsoever.

Don 11-28-2011 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 18778)
A small point, but there were no targeting mechanisms in the Nazi missile and drone program against the English. They were applied strictly as terror weapons. They had generalized targets they hoped they might reach, but the science of targeting ballistic missiles was not well developed enough to include any on board targeting mechanisms.

The Qassam missiles launched from Gaza into the rest of Israel is a similar program. They are crude, home built and have no tactical value whatsoever.

I guess you can always find a justification to slaughter civilians in the name of "Democracy" and "freedom"...as long as the civilians are not Hispanics (the new chosen race) and so long as they're not actually coming across our borders and occupying our cities.

You really should study some history of WW2. Allied bombing was notoriously inaccurate and missed as often as it hit intended targets. Moreover, British strategic bombing strategy was based on targeting civilian populations on the theory that it would cripple the war effort and create chaos. Also, the City of Dresden had nothing to do with the German missiles and rockets. The firebombing of Dresden was pure terrorism and mass murder. The city had no strategic value and was full of refugees from the Eastern Front. It was pure mass murder by the British (Riff) RAF, much like the US atomic bombing of Japanese cities which was done in the spirit of a science experiment because our great scientists were curious about the effects of an atomic bomb on a real city.

If you support mass murder, go for it. Just don't try to cover your pathetic tracks with bull.s*h"t rationalizations about the evil Japs and Germans, whose countries were totally defeated by 1945. In 1945 we were not being invaded by Japs or Germans.

Today, we are being invaded by Mexicans and other third world primitives, which is why I support the mass killing of them while I am opposed to the mass killing of Iraqis and Iranians who never did anything to us and are not invading us. We have something called the Department of Defense and I want it to defend our country against foreign invasion.

Here's a link to a story about an illegal alien who killed himself out of despair because of the failure of the Dream Act. He had the right idea.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...yred-himself-/

Ayatollahgondola 11-28-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller (Post 18778)
A small point, but there were no targeting mechanisms in the Nazi missile and drone program against the English. They were applied strictly as terror weapons. They had generalized targets they hoped they might reach, but the science of targeting ballistic missiles was not well developed enough to include any on board targeting mechanisms.

The Qassam missiles launched from Gaza into the rest of Israel is a similar program. They are crude, home built and have no tactical value whatsoever.

Despite the crude targeting methods used, the rockets enjoyed a modicum of success when launched.

Ayatollahgondola 11-28-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Don (Post 18780)
I guess you can always find a justification to slaughter civilians in the name of "Democracy" and "freedom"...as long as the civilians are not Hispanics (the new chosen race) and so long as they're not actually coming across our borders and occupying our cities.

You really should study some history of WW2. Allied bombing was notoriously inaccurate and missed as often as it hit intended targets. Moreover, British strategic bombing strategy was based on targeting civilian populations on the theory that it would cripple the war effort and create chaos. Also, the City of Dresden had nothing to do with the German missiles and rockets. The firebombing of Dresden was pure terrorism and mass murder. The city had no strategic value and was full of refugees from the Eastern Front. It was pure mass murder by the British (Riff) RAF, much like the US atomic bombing of Japanese cities which was done in the spirit of a science experiment because our great scientists were curious about the effects of an atomic bomb on a real city.

If you support mass murder, go for it. Just don't try to cover your pathetic tracks with bull.s*h"t rationalizations about the evil Japs and Germans, whose countries were totally defeated by 1945. In 1945 we were not being invaded by Japs or Germans.

Today, we are being invaded by Mexicans and other third world primitives, which is why I support the mass killing of them while I am opposed to the mass killing of Iraqis and Iranians who never did anything to us and are not invading us. We have something called the Department of Defense and I want it to defend our country against foreign invasion.

Here's a link to a story about an illegal alien who killed himself out of despair because of the failure of the Dream Act. He had the right idea.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...yred-himself-/

Fer christ sakes Don. No one is disputing the threat from invading illegals. You make it sound as if we support that. As far as I'm concerned, both the illegals and the mexican government are the enemy. But Germany was too. Neither of us were in a command position during the planning of battle strategies during WWII. But there seems ample evidence that both Hitler's Germany, and hirohito's Japan meant to hurt the US, and I highly doubt either one of them ruled out an invasion of the US mainland. Japan did attack the US Mainland you know. They also used some mindless bombs to that end. I'm not going to argue over that which I cannot prove, but I think it's safe to say that the atomic weapons used were highly accurate. Whether they were used with another motive aside from ending the Japanese resistance, I cannot say. But it worked bacause they surrendered immediately after the second one detonated
The mexicans are an invasionary force too, but they are being encouraged and welcomed by unions directly within our borders. So it's just a bit different. We're fighting a civil war, but only in principle. If I had my way the US would be sending telegrams to mexico to remove 10 million or so of their people, and that we would begin defending our southern and western borders on a certain date, and defined time...by force

Rim05 11-28-2011 05:16 PM

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I hadn't heard that she was ID'd as Latina...Where'd you read or hear that?
Most of my news lately has been the TV. I can not give you a newspaper because some of the time I do not open then (I take 2).
Her picture has been on TV many times. I would think if you google the incident in Porter Ranch you will find it. They even give a physical discription ............5'3 or 5'4, about 140 lbs and 35 to 40 years old.
Some one else in So CA must have seen the coverage. Oh, just in case you google it, it occured at a Walmart.

Ayatollahgondola 11-28-2011 05:26 PM

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Police initially described the 140-pound, unidentified Hispanic woman as a "competitive shopper" who may have bought the Microsoft Xbox before fleeing the store.
I see it now.
I don't see what this law enforcement agency is waiting for. She obviously used it for a competitive edge.

wetibbe 11-29-2011 02:55 AM

Mass killings
 
Advocating the shooting of civilians en masse ?

Adolph Hitler tried that. Gas chambers !

Joseph Stalin did it, in the millions.

Chinese did it.

The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); English pronunciation: /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, also /ˌmiːˈleɪ, ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of 347–504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, by United States Army soldiers of "Charlie" Company of 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the Americal Division. Most of the victims were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many were raped, beaten, and tortured, and some of the bodies were later found to be mutilated.[2] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only Second Lieutenant William Calley, a platoon leader in Charlie Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but only served three and a half years under house arrest.

Overview

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded, and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals.[1]

List of massacres

This is a listing of some of the events reported then or referred to now as "Indian massacres":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, that's one way of securing the border. But it takes two to Tango so we may just as well start a second Civil War and really clean house. Get rig of all the supporters, aiders, abettors and drug purchasers. *( And lock up all political opposition ).

Of course there won't be much left of the country but the buzzards should florish !

Ayatollahgondola 11-29-2011 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wetibbe (Post 18788)
Advocating the shooting of civilians en masse ?

Adolph Hitler tried that. Gas chambers !

Joseph Stalin did it, in the millions.

Chinese did it.

The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); English pronunciation: /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, also /ˌmiːˈleɪ, ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of 347–504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, by United States Army soldiers of "Charlie" Company of 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the Americal Division. Most of the victims were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many were raped, beaten, and tortured, and some of the bodies were later found to be mutilated.[2] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only Second Lieutenant William Calley, a platoon leader in Charlie Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but only served three and a half years under house arrest.

Overview

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded, and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals.[1]

List of massacres

This is a listing of some of the events reported then or referred to now as "Indian massacres":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, that's one way of securing the border. But it takes two to Tango so we may just as well start a second Civil War and really clean house. Get rig of all the supporters, aiders, abettors and drug purchasers. *( And lock up all political opposition ).

Of course there won't be much left of the country but the buzzards should florish !

The way I interpreted Don's post was that he made comparison and reference to that which the US was doing in wars past and present, and that we should direct the same effort towards the invading mexicans. So if we were doing it in afghanistan, or had done it in Germany or Japan, and you think that is/was not massacre, then it should not be for those invading our southern flank. That's what I read into his post, however he can defend it himself..or herself....

Ayatollahgondola 11-29-2011 07:31 AM

I should also point out that the government's of the world often associate massacres with only a single or few perpetrators so as to shed any liability that might indict the whole. the gas chambers are all Hitler's fault, as was Lt. calley, pol pot, Stalin, etc. But one person could not have carried out such atrocities without the willing hands of accomplices, even those acting under orders. Yet, our government, along with many others, still convict soldiers for not following unconscienable orders, because...well...orders are orders. So we have a fundemental problem. No described procedure for ascertaining when the unconscienable should be reached


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