Perry booed on (illegal) immigration at GOP debate
 

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...-at-gop-debate


Texas Gov. Rick Perry was booed by the Republican audience after he discussed his rationale for giving in-state tuition to the children of undocumented immigrants in his state, an achilles heel for the border-state governor with hard-line conservatives.

"There is nobody on this stage who has spent more time working on border security than I have. For a decade I’ve been the governor of a state with a 1200 mile border with Mexico," he said, adding he supported Arizona's immigration law and heavier patrols on the border.

"But if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason that they have been brought there by no fault of their own I don’t think you have a heart," Perry continued. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society... I still support it greatly."

In response, the Republican crowd in Orlando, Fla., booed heartily.

Thank God people are willing to attack this thread bare phony GOP globalist. He is no better than Obama.

I would have booed also! I like the man, but not that message!

PAM, I would suggest to you that that message reflects on the man and his character. It's not just that he voices support for in-state tuition for illegal aliens, it's that he is lying about it.

His explanation about that policy, that he gave at the debate in Tampa, included two references that Texas made a decision that it doesn't matter what a kid's "last name sounds" like if he wants to go to college. That is just a flat-out misrepresentation. Hispanics are not, and were not before Perry instituted the in-state tuition for illegals policy in 2001, prevented from going to Texas state colleges. People with ethnic last names were neither barred from school nor charged more to attend. The test for in-state tuition before 2001 was legal residency, not ethnicity or race.

Perry pulled the race card when he suggested ethnicity was a legal impediment to going to a university in his state.

Further, both in Tampa and Orlando, Perry stated that providing the taxpayer subsidized tuition rate was the right move because A) it would allow these kids to become productive members of society, and B) keep them off "the dole" in Texas.

PAM, when those kids graduate they can't work, as a matter of law. There will be no IBM jobs, no positions with Apple Computers, Hess Oil, law firms or accounting agencies. The only way that could occur would be for the kids to commit substantial fraud (I.D. theft, forgery, etc.). Further, illegal aliens cannot receive welfare ("the dole") in Texas w/o, again, committing considerable fraud.

Perry is lying.

He is also lying when he says that they don't get the in-state tuition rate unless they are "working toward citizenship" or "on their way toward citizenship." That is substantively false, as well. It's a matter of law. A person who enters the U.S. illegally cannot regularize his residency w/o going home and applying to enter lawfully (and waiting) like everyone else. It doesn't matter if marriage to a U.S. citizen occurs, or anything else. It's not legally possible under current immigration regulations/standards. These kids are not "on their way" toward citizenship. They are simply signing a piece of paper that says they will obtain legal residency when they can. AB540 in California has students sign a similar document. It's bullsh--. That can't happen (w/o an amnesty), as a matter of law.

Every time this guy talks about immigration, PAM, he is misleading and misrepresenting. Every time. He is John McCain with better hair. I would suggest to you he's not worthy of your liking him b/c he keeps trying to decieve you and other people in the audience when he tries to justify the in-state tuition situation in the Lone Star State. It's not that he supports it, it's that he so dishonest in his efforts to explain it.

Sorry, but I've seen that they can. I've seen it up close and personal. Hell, there's a recent statement on my youtube page by one of those kids that argued with me at our recent billboard event that echoed that. Her parents entered illegally and got regularized, and are now applying for citizenship.

This kid is lying to you, Davi. I've been down this road legally before. You can speak to an immigration lawyer (which I'm not).

There are different sets of rules that apply to people who enter legally but are now unlawfully present (i.e. overstaying a visa), as opposed to people who swim or climb over at the border. People who unlawfully enter cannot gain legal residency w/o going home. Most kids from Mexico fall into the first category.

Once again, I've witnessed it.

Whatever you've witnessed, there is some other piece to the puzzle or something you were either lied to about or not told. Speak to an immigration lawyer. He or she can relate what I've told you.

Thanks SZ. Will remember what you've said. All I have to do is talk to my sister and know better.

Perry's inopportune comment is his Howard Dean Scream moment. He is trying to wiggle out of it and can't. He won't. It did him in.

He forgot for a moment that he is applying for a NATIONAL office not state, not Texas not where there are a lot of illegals and their voting relatives. Perry told parents in Nebraska, Kansas, Montana, and all of the other 49 states that if they are heartless if they object to paying a subsidy for the children of illegals to go to Texas A&M when their own children can't go without paying full price.

It might sell in Texas, but it's a loser nationally.

What's on the ballot is what the parties present us.

We have two extremist parties which fight over control of the nation's future, and any candidate which strays too far from his party's position will usually be politically destroyed. The third parties are generally comprised of kooks or otherwise don't have a snowballs chance in hell of successfully fielding a candidate.

Politics is a nasty business, with all the character assassination and backstabbing that goes on and such. The guy who shakes your hand and convincingly assures you of his deep personal concern for you while kissing your baby as well as your ass usually isn't such a nice guy, he can't be and make it in politics.

I believe that to get more than lip service towards meaningfully enforcing immigration law means cleaning out the rat's nests which decide unwritten party policy - both of them.

It has to be negative experience for employers to hire illegals and public employees have to be punished for doling out public services to the illegally present, which mean that politicians have to feel some sort of pain for supporting employers and governmental hacks who do so. That means cleaning out the back room rats who give blessings and marching orders to politicians.

Everyone is focused on the national picture, but in reality it begins with city hall and the county seat, the most unobserved political units in America. Get the small ones, and the big ones fall with them. America was built on the township, and that's how America will be reclaimed by its citizens.

Perry is sinking:
 

I, too, cringe when I hear Perry's bad grammar. I certainly don't mind a Texas accent but the lingo he uses makes his sound like a dumb hick.

Some Texas singer Buddy said of Perry: He has the heart of a Democrat and the mind of a Republican !!!!!????? That must make him some sort of a political mongrel. He started out as a Democrat and converted to Republicanism. But obviously he still retains much of the ingrained Democrat mentality.

It seems that the straw pole results were more a repudiation of Perry than an approval of Cain. Cain siphoned off many votes and essentially left Romney trailing Perry slightly. But Michelle Bachmann finishing dead last is quite a mystery. I think basically this illustrates that the straw polls are essentially worthless and misleading regional attitudes of very small groups of Republicans. The straw poll was estimated at 2,900 to 3,500 GOP.

Perry's thorny dilemma is that he apparently wants to appeal to a broad spectrum to capture both the liberal and conservative votes. This doesn't work in Uber-Conservative straw polls and debates for the Republican nomination. The straw polls are not National elections where Perry can get liberal, Latino, Independent and Conservative votes from the whole spectrum of all voters all over the nation.

As Bill Buckley said: "I vote for the Conservative who can get elected".

Interestingly it is looking more like Obama may not run for a second term.

Obama isn't going to go for the second term? Where do you get that?

Obama second term
 

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From lots of places but generally three areas:

#1. My own deductions and observations. Obama is apparently on a path of self destruction politically. Practically everything he says now offends everyone. Even his own blacks are now down on him. The Jews. The left. The youth.

#2. Numerous pundits all over the Internet. Dick Morris included.

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