Save Our State - Riverside California Brown Berets vs NSM

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Well, Eagle1, that was certainly an honest response. You have a higher opinion of Nazis than I have, but I respect yours nevertheless. I've never personally known any modern American Nazis so I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to judge them, but if they want to exterminate another six million of my people I don't think I could support them in any endeavor. Fortunately there's a big difference between the current group of Nazis and those from 1930's Germany, which is that the latter group had Hitler leading them. The current group has no real leader and therefore we probably don't have as much to fear from them.

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Originally Posted by LAPhil (Post 411)

Phil even with what my observations have been I would say that we must always be wary of what certain "leaders" can bring about.

It isn't just the jews who suffered the insufferable, there have been genocides brought about on this planet that defy the imagination of any creative writer in terms of the misery an horror that was wrought.

Whomever takes the reins of power be it in America, Adolph Hitlers' Germany or any other sovereign state gets to decide what will be done.

Once a person is in a position of authority that very authority can be used to force their countrymen into doing the very things that they detest.

A German doctor I spoke to when in highschool told me that being a NAZI was a requirement and so he became one even though he didn't like it.

A very notable and noble member of the NAZI party was Schindler of Schindlers List fame. A man who struggled to save as many jewish lives as he could while braving certain danger.

When it comes to our interactions with white supremacy groups (not all of them are NAZIs) we must impress upon them the failure that was Hitlers Germany and that if anything Hitler's Germany was a model of how things should not be done.

So while I see the good things in these folk I am also keenly aware of the darkness that envelopes the good aspects of their persons.

I do not have any NAZI or white power friends and of course given my way of thinking I would not fit in other than as AG puts it, that we can sort of be an alternative choice.

Jean however cites wisdom in that we are not hardcore enough for a lot of these kids.

I believe the Nazis would loose a lot of membership if there was a simple patriotic group representative of white Americans that has no ties to NAZIs, KKK or such.

A group of the sort would have to be para military, strong in its philosophy and teachings and capable of giving a sense of power and dignity to its membership. I believe that there is a void here that could be filled.
But by whom I do not know.

In any case peace and let us hope for a better tomorrow through the exercise of wisdom, good judgement, compassion and strength.:)

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Originally Posted by Eagle1 (Post 412)

Some of your comments remind me of the movie "American History X" which is an excellent film that I would highly recommend to anyone. If you've never seen it you can probably get the DVD. It's a powerful story of a white American racist Nazi sympathizer who gets a black cellmate in prison and finds his attitude changing. I know I said earlier that this rarely happens in real life, but this fictional account seems quite real.

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Originally Posted by LAPhil (Post 416)

American History X was an excellent movie and I have it somewhere in my collection. I haven't seen it in a number of years and I enjoyed it thoroughly then. I think I will look at it again..with renewed interest.

On the real life front one of my black friends , Amir Raheem, former black panther, American patriot now and always a Marine told me that he had to bunk with a NAZI in the corp. They resented each other to the fullest and when in time they discovered one another on a psychological level they became the best of friends.

Amir told me that he thinks once out of the corps his friend might not be as soft now as then but the incident proves that when people get to know one another relationships become redefined by of all things reality.

Well here's to the idea that the responsible compassionate elements of society can gain control of our government and provide for all of us the fullest of our freedoms and economic prosperity with true justice for all.:D

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Originally Posted by Rim05 (Post 318)

I was completly surprised when I saw that on the news. I will have to give credit to the NSM for trying to ignore that little gnat Naui. I wish he would get another nose full of spray again. If Everyone would never answer him maybe it would deflate him a bit. I thought I saw Cliff May but not sure.
The brown Beret that was arrested was shouting "This is my town". Seems every one wants to own the US.

I saw Naui's first set (of 8 video clips) from the first Riverside confrontation and was actually glad that he actually found REAL RACIST to go up against. He really seemed to be orgasmically in his element that day. Upon viewing those first clips, my first thoughts were "agent provacatuers". The Nazi kids were too silent, didn't have any real talking points regarding illegal immigration, the clothes and flags seemed too new for a seasoned group and they largely ignored the illegal alien workers. Then I read on some site that this was their first protest. I see at the Oct. 24th event they were more prepared with more people (and more silly uniforms). Talk about racist versus racist!

As distasteful as I find the ideas of racial superiority and separatism, I believe in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution. And as we learned in Leimert Park and almost in Hollywood at the AA3 protest, the protection of those rights are worth fighting for.

That being said, I'm hoping that we're all in agreement that regardless of the thoughts expressed here, there can be no association with any such groups at SOS events. We need a clear cut procedure on what to do if these groups show up at our events and it must be made clear to them that their mission and vision does damage to our work simply by association. And like as in the Liliana protest in Simi Valley when the Golden State Skinheads showed up, their protest must be visibly separate from our group.

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Originally Posted by Eagle1 (Post 352)

The NSM, Stormfront and some of the other Nazi groups are of interest to me in that they are successful in recruiting young men and women....far more successfully than us or the Minutemen groups.

The question here is why?
Is it because of a racial identity crisis brought about by the Feds social engineering programs? Is it concievable that as the majority racial group they have come to the conclusion that they have been put on the governments sacrificial alter for its own purposes and are reacting out of an instinctive survival mechanism?
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Ummmmm, perhaps..... Or I wonder if it's simply of matter of the fact that we (meaning various groups in the illegal immigration movement) cannot seem to form a cohesive work team surrounding this single issue for too long before someone has to "be in charge" or become famous or want to do their "own thing" in contradiction to the groups core mission and goals? We'd be fooling ourselves if we think the reconquista/racist/raza crowd does not have disagreement, but when they take it to the streets, the mission is clear and cohesive- to paint the anti illegal immigration groups as racist and bigots and sell outs who're just out to separate "immigrant" families. The old SOS could not even form the Youth Brigade without it becoming a huge fight. I'm trusting that we are all still here because we believe in the merits of our fight and I'm hoping that we can work together and realize that we do not eat our own.

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Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola (Post 359)

I think we have to show them that ours is the right and just path through our deeds and gains. In other words, mere mortal acts will prove inneffective. Our strengths will be our racial mixing, and the deeds and performance by those of the racial backgrounds that those racialists have either come to have disdain for, or may have been born to it. We can use this thread to promote those such people:
http://www.saveourstate.info/forumdisplay.php?f=38

Yes, we will have to lead and teach by our example that we have and will continue to successfully work together and that we can maturely address our conflicts.

PS: I never knew what American History X was about. It sounds interesting and I'll have to check it out.

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Originally Posted by Eagle1 (Post 422)

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Originally Posted by Papoose (Post 460)

That being said, I'm hoping that we're all in agreement that regardless of the thoughts expressed here, there can be no association with any such groups at SOS events. We need a clear cut procedure on what to do if these groups show up at our events and it must be made clear to them that their mission and vision does damage to our work simply by association. And like as in the Liliana protest in Simi Valley when the Golden State Skinheads showed up, their protest must be visibly separate from our group.

Oh, I agree strongly here. We can't be partnering with philosophies that run so counter to ours in one area simply because they run parallel in one or two others. Should they show up as a united group under a banner of race, we have to reject them. We can't sacrifice our ideals for some gain in numbers. Likewise, bringing another agenda is not a united front. If we're all fighting for the same cause, that should be the only thing represented.

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Originally Posted by Papoose (Post 461)

PS: I never knew what American History X was about. It sounds interesting and I'll have to check it out.

This is a really good movie.

My prior statement (below) almost makes it sound like we should not have any leaders (or people IN CHARGE). I didn't mean to convey that at all. There are always leaders, people who know more, people who've been on the streets longer, people we trust and rely on and people who grow into leaders. I certainly have no problem following a true and principled leader(s) and trusting their experience.

<<<<<Ummmmm, perhaps..... Or I wonder if it's simply of matter of the fact that we (meaning various groups in the illegal immigration movement) cannot seem to form a cohesive work team surrounding this single issue for too long before someone has to "be in charge" or become famous or want to do their "own thing" in contradiction to the groups core mission and goals>>>>>

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Originally Posted by Papoose (Post 480)

I knew what you meant:)

Here's where having written policies and procedures helps out quite a bit. Having those is like having a leader, except that leader is everyone who participated in crafting them.