Aquablue , this one is for you
 

Aqua , you can reach me through this forum.
I assure you that there are lots of places to still protest illegals on the web.

If your wondering why several of the other forums are dying or dead , do you really have to question that? You have just seen the wholesale genocide of some of the best posters on the web from 2 forums,

But don't let it bother you , we are alive and well and continuing the fight from far better places.

Oh! yeah! lots of places, with lots of "Patriotic" forums still out there! This is one of my favorites!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Americ...24395087572695

http://www.facebook.com/groups/125627424122535/

http://www.facebook.com/groups/88126752365/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Roofer...45634408870301

We not only fight illegal immigration, we go after all the thieves.

"It's easier to fight illegal immigration and Federal corruption with people you know will help you!"

Instead of work against you :)

I will work for food!

But at least I know for sure you work for our cause
and not the liberal bomba machine

Not like some others that would like to tear down our orgs

OK, what the heck are you guys babbling about now? :confused:

Its a long story :)

Somebody that is citing this forum that needs an education.

They seem to think there are no more forums fighting illegal immigration.

Paranoia and conspiracy theory have caused wholesale bannings at 2 big forums in the last month , Several of the strongest and staunchest patriots have been unfairly purged from these sites for no reason.

And they wonder why activity in some forums have gone down.

Yikes! Check for Nightingale working behind the scenes.

Its not Chelene , but somebody else thats been
around just as long

You should be getting a couple more sign ups over here since Williams
wholesale purge over on that other site.

That wasn't the site in question though.

William can afford to purge?

He dumped a ton of his best people, not only smart posters and patriots but people that contributed a lot in the past.

Just about anybody that ever said a nice word about Romney got slapped to the curb , Most got banned.

Thats why just about the only posters you see now are the mods :o

The last time I looked at the records, his monetary situation had changed dramatically. The amount he was reporting had dropped significantly, and the latest report was unavailable. that is, of course, if he's reporting accurately too.

So what? He hates romney more than obama, or he hates both?

Well , I look at it a couple ways.
He probably does hate Bomba, but consider if Romney wins
and actually does something about the illegal problem, Williams gravy train goes away.

Another 4 years of Bomba and you can be sure there will be lots of illegal immigration issues going on and the donations keep coming.

Another reason is the few supporters he does have left are huge Ron Paul supporters , He sacrificed all of his Romney people for them.

This is all speculation of course.

At any rate ALL of the people he banned ended up in a better place.

His wasn't the only site that did the wholesale ban either.

[QUOTE=usa today;21116]Well , I look at it a couple ways.
He probably does hate Bomba, but consider if Romney wins
and actually does something about the illegal problem, Williams gravy train goes away.

Another 4 years of Bomba and you can be sure there will be lots of illegal immigration issues going on and the donations keep coming.

Another reason is the few supporters he does have left are huge Ron Paul supporters , He sacrificed all of his Romney people for them. QUOTE]

Wouldn't make much sense for him to be worrying about a gravy train he really no longer has. In addition, Romney may do something about illegal immigration, but he surely isn't going to halt it. We'll face enough of a threat from romney to spur donors if that's their way of involvement.

And if you think about it, obama might negate the illegal immigration issue by either legalizing them, or causing congress to do the same for fear of looking like they lost the power to do so to him.

But who knows.....
William banned me after I refused to jump on his lynch wagon headed to Glenn Spencer's ranch. Guess I wasn't quite patriot enough in his eyes if I wouldn't say " Your word is my command, sir William".

I think just about all of us have had our share of run ins with William

As you can see I'm no longer on alipac and thats a good thing in my opinion , I'm in a better place with better people in the fight.

I've known you and lots of people on this forum for a lot of years , It just seems like in fighting and attitudes are what is killing our movement , Some of it is not without cause.

You have had your own demons here on Sos over the years , I've fought my demons on alipac , Sos and many other places.

There was a time I thought Sos was going to be huge , I was proud to be a member in the old days. So many good people here , some not so good,
You guys did things that would scare the newer people in the cause to death.

You have your forum and I thank you for allowing me to post , We also have a forum and my people would post over here also,

Can we get over the BS of the past and start to work together?

I purposed this to William , Simcox , Turner and Beck years ago and got the cold shoulder.

Well throw it out and lets get it over with.

No, I don't think we can get over the "bs" and work together. We're going to have to work together with it. The bs as you refer to it is difference of opinion, conflicting goals, and incompatible personalities. Alot of that just cannot be reasoned with or changed. I've been saying for a few years that I don't care if we fight amongst each other, as long as everyone works too. If everyone marched lockstep, a few strong arms with manipulative skills would end up in control, and then that wouldn't reflect the wishes of everyone. So, soon the disatisfaction would cause people to stop joining forces at all.

The management here has not always been in agreement either, but we're still operating. I think that's due to us accepting that we have to either be tolerant of those ideas we don't like, or make sure everyone knows how you feel so they can plan accordingly. I've said I'd even tolerate the cockroach in this group again as long as she was working, although she;ll never be allowed in a management position again. Point is, she knows what I think of her, and I'm sure she developed a little more respect for me now that she knows she cannot just molest me and suffer no consequence.

I'm not going back to Williams ALIPAC because he's too controlling, and has no buffer between his ban finger and the group. One person should not have that much power because it always ends up being misused. Well, and he banned me, so he doesn't want me there:D
But I can talk sheet about william and still fight for the same causes he does when those causes are presented. Hell, I'll say I will talk sheet about you too when the necessity arises;)

Feel free , I've been called every name in the book. and then some.

Don booted me out of here before all the crap went down with Chelene.

But I agree , she might be a POS , I don't know , I always got along with her , but as long as we are working on the same side , I guess it doesn't matter.

Anyway I'll try to direct a couple good posters over your way , you can visit us if you like but its not necessary.

I still try to get over here and read every other day and do a post now and then. I like to think I still have a few old friends over here.

I guess most of us do have something in common though, Most of us are
in the "BANNED BY WILLIAM" club.

I did speak to him on the phone a couple weeks ago , he is one nasty piece of work let me tell you.

Reregistered
 

As I said, Gheek pulled the plug on me also essentially over nothing.

Some may recall his urinating contest with Jim Gilchrist. That seemed to be the beginning of the end when swarms of people were turned off by it/him. He essentially wanted to push Gilchrist over the cliff and take over as the big Kahuna.

During the ensuing I posted on other forums my suspicions that there was, in fact, no accountability for funds, and indeed no visible proof that even one single fax was ever sent to anyone. It was all faith, "trust me" !

I re-registered on his site under other ID but never again posted anything. Didn't even check in of follow anything there at all. Zero, zip interest.

Simcox turned out to be a big phony scammer with his joke fence. One pigeon mortgaged his house and sent $110,000 worth of steel. Later he sued, and dropped it. The caging company's and promoters skimmed off the vast majority of funds.

Gilchrist's associated attacked him and took over his association along with the money. He sued.

Well Bill
Some of us have been around a long time , the stories we could tell :)

We should write a book one day on all this

Preferably after the immigration problem is solved.

The site In question Is Patriots Corner, and It Is officially going dark for good. A real shame that this will happen, but Wes and William seem to be two peas In a pod now. William Is destroying Alipac and Wes has destroyed Patriots Corner. Top people banned from both sites because of what ??? We will really never know .... :confused:

Ayatollah, that's funny that you are talking about William at Alipac.
I almost forgot about that place.
I got banned from them probably 2 years ago, for openly reprimanding Gheen for linking Tom Tancredo to the Neo-Nazi's. He banned me and I was so pissed at the time.
Some time I'll post the letter I wrote to Gheen, just for fun.

Afterwards, I joined grass fire. They banned me also when I figured out it was filled with too much pro Israel Zionist garbage (sorry Zionist supporters, I'm fighting for my country not someone elses).

It's funny to learn how many people have been banned by Alipac.

It's starting to dawn on me how many people have had bad run in with Gheen.

Ayatollah, for my education please tell me about the other sites that have had problems like Alipac.

This whole discussion brings back memories I almost totally forgot. I guess I was pretty involved and dependent on Alipac for a few years, in regard to my activities fighting the Bush led amnesties. Just for fun I thought I would post the letter that I wrote to William Gheen after I was banned.


7/13/2010
Dear William Gheen.
Thank you for your reply to my letter. I understand that you feel that you are taking the “ethical high road”, in your smear attack Tom Tancredo and Vdare.com and by banning me from Alipac. I disagree though.
I would like to remind you that it was you that initiated the E-mail attack campaign against Tom Tancredo accusing him and others of associations with Neo-Nazis. I received your emails and read them, but I find your evidence weak and non persuasive. I understand that you find my post about Vdare.com insulting. It was not insulting, it was critical of your attack against Vdare. Com and other groups and individuals in the Patriotic immigration reform movement. Mr. Gheen there is a difference between insulting statements and legitimate criticism, I am afraid though that you do not know the difference.
Mr. Gheen my criticism of your actions that I posted on the Alipac open discussion are; that you initiated a slanderous attack on many prominent members of our community that are fighting open borders and illegal immigration. My criticism of your actions still stand and I do not revoke them. The evidence against them that you put in your email alerts are in my opinion, weak and non persuasive.
Although you have every right to criticize whom and whatever you want, you need to know that your actions and your smear attacks against Tom Tancredo, Vdare.com and Dan Smeriglio in particular are not helping our cause. They are dividing us and bringing the cause down and I am sorry to say are discrediting you and Alipac.
Mr. Gheen if you cannot handle any criticism of your actions, you should state on the rules board in the open public discussion that no criticism of William Gheen is allowed. Judging from the reprisal I received from you it is obvious that the defacto rule is ;No criticism of William Gheen or his actions is allowed.
As to your complaint and distrust of my loyalty to you and alipac, I can only say that my loyalty is first and foremost to the cause of fighting open borders, illegal immigration and amnesty. My loyalty is to that cause and not to any one leader. The fact that I confronted the email smear attacks that you initiated does not display shallow or superficial loyalty, it shows that I stand on principle, I reserve the right to think for myself and that I think the cause that we are fighting is bigger than any one person or group.
Mr. Gheen you complain about my loyalty!
How about your loyalty to the members of ALIPAC and those fighting this cause? How exactly is it showing loyalty to instantly ban a contributing Alipac member over a post politely criticizing your actions?
Mr. Gheen I am very sorry that you consider my open criticism of your smear attacks a “finger in your eye”, and “in your house”. I would like you to know that I joined the fight against illegal immigration to save our country, not to live under your roof. And by the way, the comment in your reply that describes my criticism as a “Jackass post”. Well that only weakens your argument that you are calm or rational or on any kind of high road.

Sincerely,
A very disappointed former Alipac member.

Greg (In the actual letter I used my full name).

Gheek is about money
 

He is essentially in the same general category as the SPLC. After they were done with beating up on the KKK they searched around and went after anyone who wasn't liberal and who disagreed with them. Calling everyone is sight a "hate group". That was the sell to keep the dollars flowing in and millions came in.

Gheek doesn't give anyone any accounting of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that have been collected.

I went to the website yesterday and found over 160 people on line.

I also went to Patriots Corner and their site is still up and running.

Predictions of demise may be a little bit premature.

Here is an interesting article written about two years ago about Alipac's William Gheen, and his war against Peter Brimelow and Vdare.com. It's interesting to note how many wars William Gheen wages.
This article prompted me to email my letter to Gheen, to let Peter Brimelow know that he wages wars against a lot of people and that he is not alone.
I think it is a good article to read.
William Gheen is a ninnie, and he has alienated just about everybody.
I am sorry to say it saddens me how many activist groups fighting this issue are headed by some fairly loathsome individuals.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/on-tur...acs-bill-gheen

One big problem for those organizations fighting against illegal aliens/open borders is that they require their member to donate to the organization to keep it running or have any power. La Raza, LULAC et al are funded through federal grants, yes our tax dollars. As a result, most that follow La Raza or do the bidding for them do not expect much from them, because it didn't come from their own wallets and they are happy with what every they get. Which sometimes includes getting paid to show up.

Our side, on the other hand, has to struggle financially to even exist. And when there are not enough gains, often those that donated feel their money wasn't used wisely.

On both sides there are people in charge who take the position like it is a paying job. For those in charge of La Raza's side, there is millions to be had in federal grants and they are paid high salaries. But not the same for our side. Basically we are volunteers. We put in our sweat equity and hope for a return.

Gheen thinks of it as a job and can't seem to get the concept that he should be a volunteer. The issue isn't bringing in the donations is once did for many reasons, but the big one is the economy. And it doen't help that Gheen can be a jerk.

Jean you make an interesting point about how La Raza, and organizations like it get lucrative federal funding, where as our organizations survive off of its members donations. Were many fighting on our side don't have deep pockets.

What I don't understand is why some of the leaders of our groups, who actually have very little power nationally, and are pretty much shunned by any political establishment are such egotistical jerks, (Gheen, Gilcrest, Simcox, Nightingale) why so much infighting?

LEARN FROM YOUR ENEMY



The Raza groups have had their share of infighting and divergence from the middle 60's on.

Corky Gonzalez of the Denver based Crusade for Justice and founding genius of La Raza Unida Jose Angel Gutierrez (Texas) had falling out due to to both of their immense egos (Gonzalez was going give Gutierrez a personal ass kicking on one occasion, but Gutierrez managed to bluff that he had backup [but really didn't] and it didn't happen). Gutierrez' ultimately dictatorial style, internal lawsuits, and personal aspirations of power among the group (after Gutierrez garnering nearly all the say but after spreading himself too thin and relinquishing some power) led to the break up of La Raza Unida. Reies Tijerina was always off on a tangent about New Mexican land grants, and after having spent some time in jail due to the courthouse shooting his radicalism backed off a notch or three. Cesar Chavez wasn't going along with some of the program, particularly that part involving the Mexican government, because illegals were breaking his strikes.

What was the original Chicano movement somewhat diffused and broke into a multitude of independent groups and individuals more or less following the "plan". Some do get funding from the government and entities like the Ford foundation, others are self funding and rely on voluntarism. They don't always agree with each other, but that is kept out of public sight and among themselves. Their platform agendas vary somewhat beyond the basic plan. NCLR appears to want the body count of everyone whocan be stretched into being "Latino" (including those with Puerto Rican and Cuban ancestry), others are strictly Mexico - centric. There is a wide range of racial rabidity degree, a very few are milder, others are the brown mirror of the Aryan nations. Nearly all have a degree of lunacy to them, not much rational discussion. Reynaldo Berrios (La Vida Loca magazine and the book Cholo Style) or the Mexica Movement are prime examples of mouth frothing racial dementia. Their propaganda all involves the white racist boogyman, their house of cards falls apart without drum beat allegation of white racism.


One of the lessons from that time is that lots of energy and resources are used up by perpetually raising funds, that government and other taxpayer funded office (such as schools) with the buildings, communications, and steady paychecks for loyal soldiers are the best non profit sources for organizing to the cause.

The other lesson is that the takeover has to be from the inside, a third party venture isn't going to last to do it.

There also needs to be some friendly media outlet as well, some of which may have been co-opted from the inside.

The egos need to be put aside and power struggles avoided.

And, while it's a national issue, the battle is quietly being fought block by block, with all the grains of sand adding up.

Lesson number one: there has to be enough people to get in on the inside game and survive the nasty political fights, vicious character assassinations, and outright set ups to change things.

I believe it will ultimately be won either way at the town hall level, the grains of sand adding up nationally.

Because of all those things you mentioned about us having no money and no political capitol; We can't develop a working government within our ranks. We end up with a klingon type of assencion system. Each wannabe leader takes whatever opportunity that presents itself to beat down the competition for the top dog spot. It's pretty much that simple. You've got a bunch of power lusting egotists and rag tag volunteer army, and no infrastructure to manage either. It's a catalyst for dictatorship unfortunately