Stop it now please! SOS does not condone the practice of racially pointed law enforcement, nor will we allow people to encourage it here. This is a violation of our policies and rules, and can be grounds for getting confined to the restricted area.

I agree. But, it is a poor strategy to even say the word "hispanic". Always remember that illegal immigration is a global problem and that even though hispanics tend to characterize the problem in the US, the problem is not exclusively hispanic. There are all kinds of illegal immigrants in Arizona, I'm sure and with this bill, we can confront all of them. There are illegal immigrants from Europe and Canada too. They all get a free ride from the hispanic political activists. Now would be the time to catch the non-hispanic illegals off their guard and further burden the hispanics with the issue with fewer returns for their work. They will be carrying water for the non-hispanic illegals.

I don't think usa_today was talking about "racially pointed law enforcement" at all, whatever that is. usa_today was simply pointing out that hispanics characterize the problem of illegal immigration in Arizona and that in order to police illegal immigration in Arizona it is only inevitable that hispanics be singled out. It is entirely necessary, but as I have pointed out, it is a poor strategy to openly declare such a thing even though it is not racist and completely understandable to anyone sincerely opposed to illegal immigration to hope that all the hispanics in Arizona fall under the eye of law enforcement. I could imagine that there are plenty of hispanics who feel the same way and would gladly bear the eye of law enforcement in order to purge the state of the plague of illegals there, most of whom are hispanic.

We do have to keep reminding ourselves, the problem is global and cuts accross racial boundaries. To emphasize one race as the problem and another as the victim is a poor strategy, even where they might characterize the problem in any particular place.

SOS doesn't care what other hispanics think about it. Our path was clearly cut when the organization began. Singling out hispanics for immigration enforcement is a policy we don't support. We don't want to see any encouragements of that posted here. Doesn't matter what the percieved or real benefits of that might be.

Let me point out , to clarify my position

White people, Black people , all people are "profiled" every day for crimes

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME

What part are we not getting here?
There is a vast difference between RACIAL profiling and CRIMINAL profiling
One does not have to be a Harvard law student to "GET IT"

One profiles the MOST LIKELY SUBJECTS when they are looking for people that are breaking SPECIFIC LAWS , That is basic police work 101

If they are looking for a tall black man ,app 30 years old , they are not going to be pulling over 80 year old grannies

This mindset is whats killing us
I'M NOT SAYING ROUND UP ALL HISPANICS AND THROW THEM OUT
Far from it , I'm saying that our police need the authority to question , and enforce the laws

ONCE AGAIN
I was profiled as a 7/11 robber because I FIT THE PROFILE
I was stopped , forced from my car at gun point and ask to produce ID
Not a problem , I was on my way in 5 minutes when they determined I was not the person they were looking for and I had no warrants or other reason
to detain me.
Americans go through it every day , Are Hispanics somehow immune from being part of the laws that are used every day for Americans?

Let me spell it out for you. Here is the written offense:

Do you understand now?

Let me be perfectly clear

If it was White Canadians flooding over the border into Arizona I would still say every one of them should be ask for ID and verification of legality

You obviously still don't get it

Its not about race , it has never been about race

The issue is one "group" of people are severe violators of the law
Until we get over this PC nonsense we are never going to win the fight

Do you want me to be more blunt ? not a problem
The biggest problem in Arizon is ILLEGAL MEXICANS

Sure there are other "illegals" in Arizona and they to need to be routed out
But when the ship is sinking one plugs the biggest hole first

And that my friend is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

NOR IS IT RACIST

You made it about race here:
That's what's at issue; I don't need to read any more tapdancing to distract me from this. So let me be clear too as you do not get it. Are you encouraging that or no?

Hispanic is not , nor have they ever been a race

They are a group of ethnicities

They are considered just as white as anyone else in the "Caucasoid" race

The race card is just a smokescreen

There is no race involved , only a group that has a higher percentage of
lawbreakers then most other groups.

Brewer rocks! Unbelievable, a little respect for law and the best interests of the American Southwest. Are we sure she's actually an elected official?

admin, Don has been posting blatantly aggressive and hostile racist posts against Mexicans on a regular basis and you have to voice any complaints. Not only that, Don seems to show little hostility towards illegal immigration. usa_today's posts are innocent and especially by way of comparison with Don's.

There's no sliding scale here. We usually deal with matters such as these by contacting the individuals without posting in the forum, however today's events seem to have inspired Don and USA Today be a little more cavalier in respect to this organizations operational rules.
Arizona did a wonderful thing for its' native born and legal citizens, and I don't think they'd want some loose lipped Californians' turning that into something ugly with callous, poorly thought out commentary.

The reality is ugly enough that anyone who accurately describes it, as usa_today did above is going to sound ugly. This can be distinguished from openly racist declarations and aggression which usa_today was not doing at the above post.

This step in Arizona looks good. The next level to confront is removing the status of permanent resident aliens and getting rid of anchor babies.

When somebody ACTUALLY addresses the problem it does sound ugly only because that is how the opposition wants it to sound.

Face it , calling attention to what is the problem is not racist , nor has it ever been.

Just to many people are so bogged down in the pc world that they are scared of their own shadows when it comes to the truth of this subject

Don't worry though,
We all know that new Arizona law might last until noon Monday, maybe

I bet there are a hundred lib judges just salivating to put the brakes on this one.

Obuma said that he'll push for amnesty for the illegals after he criticized Governor Brewer for signing the bill. However he ought to know that the majority of The American People are still in a fighting mood over the passage of Obumacare and the upcoming Senate vote on Cap and Trade Monday and he'll only add fuel to the fire with amnesty.

I'm so damn sick of the race card... again, you are 100% correct and many of us are OLD ENUFF to remember when gov't CREATED the hispanic race card... the beginning of the lie, diversity profiling in our schools and businesses!!

Exactly
the admin here is still toeing the PC line , but that is why I've pretty much backed off the movement in the last year,
I've been kicked out of a dozen forums for calling it like it is. but for my lack of action this past year , I've not backed off the root cause and problem one bit.

Nor will I ever

They can cry about being after all illegals but all illegals are not marching in our streets with their home country flag screaming viva la raza. With the exception of one ethnicity , no other is trying to change this country into the garbage dump they left.

We are what we are here, and I cannot understand why people who feel so differently would torture themselves by continually subjecting themselves to a group that tends to reject their innermost beliefs. We're very tolerant here I believe, but we do have some limits that are sacrosanct. If you are to remain in our midst, you need to learn how to get along with us. The rules are plainly written and they haven't changed. If you don't understand them, then ask for help. We want people to be in compliance, and we're not trying to chase people away.